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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The obvious: BC, Villanova, Santa Clara, safety Holy Cross. But you must have considered all these?  [/quote]
Holy Cross a safety? Hardly.[/quote]
+1 Villanova is the safety on that list.[/quote]

My 4.4/1520/500+ hours of community service kid (plus a million other ECs and such) got rejected from Villanova today. I wouldn't call it a safety.[/quote]

Sorry to hear this, pp and op.

My college senior, after being rejected at Georgetown (my alma mater), went to St. Joe’s. There is a lot to be said for being a big fish in a little sea, rather than swimming with sharks.

There are many, many families with kids at both Villanova and SJU. Talk with them. My son has HS friends at Villanova and he’s even ridden the train home to DC with them on breaks.

The world is simply different today.[/b] I do wish they would limit the number of schools kids apply to[b], but I guess the schools might miss the cash and “selectivity” that comes with rejecting HS seniors. [/quote]

[b]The number of schools applied to has nothing to do with getting rejected,[/b] let's say at Georgetown. There are only a certain number of admission spots. [/quote]

It does.  Kids are blasting applications everywhere.  In the 1980s, 1990s--you would apply to 4-5 colleges.  Now kids are applying to all 8 Ivies, every top 10 and most of the top 25.  So now these schools have close to 50,000-75,000 applicants.  It does matter.

Test optional is an other reason these kids are now applying to so many schools too (minus Gtown of couse which isn't TO).  A kid that had a 1200 SAT (which was like a 1080 back in the late 80s) would not bother applying to any Ivies--even with a 4.0.  Now kids just don't send the scores and VIOLA! you get huge numbers.  [b]The screening/cutoff isn't there.[/b][/quote]

It has adapted. With the deemphasized on test scores and other achievement metrics, the most accomplished applicants cannot be assumed to be the most deserving of admission. Rather than seeking students with the most distinguished academic records, a school might seek those who best represent the state from a demographic perspective or those that will benefit most from the curriculum.[/quote]

Yeah, but I suspect that is changing as schools have learned that an A from Podunk HS is not the same as an A from other schools it may know better. Colleges and universities have had to invest millions in remedial classes and tutoring for “straight A” kids, TO, who were just passed through. It’s maddening. Then these kids, with excessive extra help, will graduate from top schools. Some will have flourished, learned how to study, worked hard and really be just as meritorious as the kids who went to top rated high schools and killed testing as well. But there will be others that just don’t measure up. That will become the employer’s problem. [b]It’s really not fair.[/b] I expect to see more colleges and universities revoke TO, just as MIT did. [/quote]

Who is it not fair to? Your child, or the students the schools accepted? [/quote]

Unfortunately, no admissions system is entirely fair. We can't change that. What I try to do, as someone who hires educated people, is to try to see what applicants have done with the opportunities they have. Of course, you can't always tell how much of a leg-up they've had, but I try to learn about the person. The best employee I ever hired went to a very mediocre university, and if you knew his background, you'd know why. Some of those I've hired from big-name schools have been disappointing. Who you are is more important than where you went to school. [/quote]

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