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Anonymous wrote:We toured Georgetown last Spring. Did the big group conference in the hall and then broke into groups for the campus tour.

My DS was literally 1 of 6 cis white males out of the entire group of about 100 prospects. The vast majority of the others were Asian and Indian males. Girls were barely represented.

He didn't even apply. He is high stats, his mom is an undegrad and grad school alum, and his grandfather taught there for two decades.

It isn't what it used to be.

You sound deeply prejudiced against non whites, yet claim that the school is "MAGA idiots" - which one is it?

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Anonymous wrote:I personally think that the Common App and TO was the worst thing to happen to college admissions, and that most schools should go the route that GU goes - require subject tests, their own app, require testing, etc.

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Even so- you can have a perfect standardize test score, 5s all APs…and solid/great everything else and still get deferred. It’s still holistic review.

It is. Would help if fabricated sob stories were also better scrutinized.

Such as? Do they sound fabricated to you as they are so far out of your experience?

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Anonymous wrote:I personally think that the Common App and TO was the worst thing to happen to college admissions, and that most schools should go the route that GU goes - require subject tests, their own app, require testing, etc.

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Even so- you can have a perfect standardize test score, 5s all APs…and solid/great everything else and still get deferred. It’s still holistic review.

It is. Would help if fabricated sob stories were also better scrutinized.

Anonymous wrote:Marquette would be a safety. Great education, strong career placement, normal kids, especially good basketball year.

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Anonymous wrote:The obvious: BC, Villanova, Santa Clara, safety Holy Cross. But you must have considered all these?

Holy Cross a safety? Hardly.

+1 Villanova is the safety on that list.

My 4.4/1520/500+ hours of community service kid (plus a million other ECs and such) got rejected from Villanova today. I wouldn't call it a safety.

Sorry to hear this, pp and op.

My college senior, after being rejected at Georgetown (my alma mater), went to St. Joe’s. There is a lot to be said for being a big fish in a little sea, rather than swimming with sharks.

There are many, many families with kids at both Villanova and SJU. Talk with them. My son has HS friends at Villanova and he’s even ridden the train home to DC with them on breaks.

The world is simply different today.[/b] I do wish they would limit the number of schools kids apply to, but I guess the schools might miss the cash and “selectivity” that comes with rejecting HS seniors.

[b]The number of schools applied to has nothing to do with getting rejected, let's say at Georgetown. There are only a certain number of admission spots.

It does. Kids are blasting applications everywhere. In the 1980s, 1990s--you would apply to 4-5 colleges. Now kids are applying to all 8 Ivies, every top 10 and most of the top 25. So now these schools have close to 50,000-75,000 applicants. It does matter.

Test optional is an other reason these kids are now applying to so many schools too (minus Gtown of couse which isn't TO). A kid that had a 1200 SAT (which was like a 1080 back in the late 80s) would not bother applying to any Ivies--even with a 4.0. Now kids just don't send the scores and VIOLA! you get huge numbers. The screening/cutoff isn't there.

It has adapted. With the deemphasized on test scores and other achievement metrics, the most accomplished applicants cannot be assumed to be the most deserving of admission. Rather than seeking students with the most distinguished academic records, a school might seek those who best represent the state from a demographic perspective or those that will benefit most from the curriculum.

Yeah, but I suspect that is changing as schools have learned that an A from Podunk HS is not the same as an A from other schools it may know better. Colleges and universities have had to invest millions in remedial classes and tutoring for “straight A” kids, TO, who were just passed through. It’s maddening. Then these kids, with excessive extra help, will graduate from top schools. Some will have flourished, learned how to study, worked hard and really be just as meritorious as the kids who went to top rated high schools and killed testing as well. But there will be others that just don’t measure up. That will become the employer’s problem. It’s really not fair. I expect to see more colleges and universities revoke TO, just as MIT did.

Who is it not fair to? Your child, or the students the schools accepted?

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Anonymous wrote:I personally think that the Common App and TO was the worst thing to happen to college admissions, and that most schools should go the route that GU goes - require subject tests, their own app, require testing, etc.

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Even so- you can have a perfect standardize test score, 5s all APs…and solid/great everything else and still get deferred. It’s still holistic review.

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Anonymous wrote:I personally think that the Common App and TO was the worst thing to happen to college admissions, and that most schools should go the route that GU goes - require subject tests, their own app, require testing, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Kings College in Wilkes Barre - 5 year engineering program to Notre Dame. Also have business degree with Washington University in St Louis. You come out with degrees from both. (School founded by priests from Notre Dame so super close)

I’m sorry you are recommending schools founded by priests 🤣😂

Beyond absurd

Sure kets support the Church the officially stands with sex abuse of kids

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe smaller Jesuit or Holy Cross schools with the idea of easier transfer as a sophomore/junior?

Jesuit - Fairfield, Fordham, Creighton, Loyola MD or Chicago
Holy Cross - Portland, Stonehill, St. Edward’s, Kings

Some of you are literally nuts. Why would a student with the qualifications to apply to ND and GU apply to Stonehill??!!! Literally 50 other schools they would apply to first.

Anonymous wrote:I personally think that the Common App and TO was the worst thing to happen to college admissions, and that most schools should go the route that GU goes - require subject tests, their own app, require testing, etc.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe smaller Jesuit or Holy Cross schools with the idea of easier transfer as a sophomore/junior?

Jesuit - Fairfield, Fordham, Creighton, Loyola MD or Chicago
Holy Cross - Portland, Stonehill, St. Edward’s, Kings

Anonymous wrote:Kings College in Wilkes Barre - 5 year engineering program to Notre Dame. Also have business degree with Washington University in St Louis. You come out with degrees from both. (School founded by priests from Notre Dame so super close)