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[quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.[/quote]

The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.[/quote]

They are protesting Biden you twit[/quote]

NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.

These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.

The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.

And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans. [/quote]

I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters.  It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him. [/quote]

Agree.  Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters.  And we’re not sending U.S. troops.

I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.  [/quote]

You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home[/quote]

The Muslim voters are clustered heavily in a few specific districts that vote blue anyhow. I do not understand how people think this is going to swing Michigan at all. They seem a bit ignorant of MI electoral politics. [/quote]

According a The New York Times/Siena College poll released today, Biden is trailing Trump by 5 points in Michigan. I doubt Biden is as cavalier about the Muslim and Arab vote as you seem to be.
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He is also trailing badly in PA, AZ, and GA. And he was already in negative territory in these states before October 7. None of which have the Muslim population in Michigan. Biden has a lot more to lose by siding with pro Palestinian factions than Israel. In the first place, there are twice as many Jewish voters than Muslim voters. In the second place, the vast majority of Americans back Israel over Gaza and Hamas according to all polls. It doesnt mean support for a war but between the two sides, support is for Israel. Because they know what happened on October 7. Something the ceasefire people are strangely silent about. Especially as they have no answer for the ceasefire, namely, then what? [/quote]

Then what is easy. Both sides negotiate a hostage/prisoner exchange. Then there are negotiations for resuming supplies to Gaza. And, further negotiations for every other aspect of the future.[/quote]

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