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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I get it - I think Dems should be angry about this topic in raising insurance prices.  The Republicans suck.  They are evil.  They should be stopped from raising ACA min.  I'm not sure who does not agree with this except anyone who isn't affected? :)

But in the context of battle - what will you win and what will you lose over this, you have to think hard and deep.  It cannot just be - hey - this sucks - let's go fight!  In every battle, there must be a....strategy.  What are your options in how best to win this battle?

The Dems seem to never have a strategy, beyond, we won't cave!  And everytime, the Dems cave. Maybe this time it goes on for longer but essentially, they operate the same way. every. time.

A govt shutdown is not a strategy. It's a bargaining chip to leverage their position but it's not a strategy.

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You didn't notice the times they compromised like adults, then? Because Schumer is still smarting from that last time he kept the government open with the Republicans.

The truth is that we have reached the point where Democrats now have nothing to lose. Zip. They can keep it shut down forever. At the end, it will be on Trump and his horde of monsters.

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I didn't say anything about compromise? J said win the damn war. And the Dens may not have anything to kids but the people? This affected by the shutdown!???   Are they winning? You think they don't have anything to lose? It's a damn CR.  It's not even a perm fix! It's the ACA premium subsidies. Pick a fight that they can win. It's not about losing and compromising / go win a fight![/quote]

You still don't get it. Republicans have got all three levers of power AND, unlike in Trump's first term, he and his cabinet and department heads are not heeding any laws or the Constitution. The Constitutional crisis is at the door. This term, the Trumpian mandate is "let's do all the illegal things and overwhelm and intimidate all the judges who aren't already on our side". It has worked, up to a point. Plenty of irreversible harm has been done with that unpardonable approach.

The only response possible is out-an-out brinkmanship. The MAGAs are terrorists. You don't negotiate with terrorists.

Shut it down.

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How's that going?

Day 17. I pretty much guarantee you that at day 22 or 33 or 46 - the only ones shut down will be the Democrats who had to cave in order to get a govt running in this country.

-signed a frustrated Dem who barfs at how foolish the Dem leadership are [/quote]

I think it will all catch up to the Republicans soon enough...  the Dems cave, and millions of Americans, many of whom are Trump supporters are left scratching their heads over why their healthcare costs doubled, tripled, quadrupled... or went away altogether.  Or why everything else has continued to get so much more expensive.

Can't blame the Dems for any of it anymore.[/quote]

Of course they can.  The Dems shutdown the govt! Even I as a Dem will say that as the Chuck admits it.  He doesn't but of course their whole platform is about explaining the impasse - clearly they don't want to sign off on the CR so yes, the Dems want this shutdown.

The premiums are up but when you're sitting home not working ur working and not making anything, you won't look at bills you'll be wondering what to do with your day or why you are working fir no $$!!!

If the Dems just let things be, the premiums would make people mad but now everything is about the shutdown drama thanks to the Dems. And it was only a CR to Nov.  in a couple wks the Dems would have had more firepower and leverage when people focused on spending more money on premiums.

You cannot win the game if you sit out.  You gotta be playing to have any chance of scoring. Havent they learned anything from previous shutdowns where they had no endgame but to cave? They always do this stuff and always fail.  OMG it's like the Dem leadership are all brain dead...[/quote]

Worse, it appears now that MTG is leading the charge on Obamacare premium increases. The world is upside down. The narrative is getting away from the Dems and they look more out of touch than ever even as they claim they won’t negotiate bc of premiums. AAAARRRRGGGHHHH[/quote]

The Dems are happy to have this aspect of MTG agreeing with their platform. Frankly, it is goulish that most of the GOP are fine with healthcare being too expensive for their constituents.[/quote]

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