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Anonymous wrote:I think this whole thing is wrong by both sides. The republicans for sure and for everything they do! It's like they make no good decisions ever for anyone except themselves/rich.

The Dems are fools and morons who lack any ability and strategy to get anything accomplished - between egos and stupidity - they are no better than the Dems.

We need younger blood, smarter and more reasonable folks on both sides of the govt in leadership. The problem is, nobody in their right mind wants to go into govt anymore these days...

I think it's a slow slide into the mud for us. The system will really need to change in order for new leadership to develop.

the dems wants input on the BBB and were not afforded any, so how is this at all the fault of the dems? Blaming them for any of this when they do not control any power in the government is just ridiculous

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA’s mission to “make America great again” centers on bringing jobs back to the United States. However, for those factories and companies to operate, there must be workers willing to labor for much lower wages. The recent cuts to SNAP and Medicaid benefits for all able-bodied individuals appear to be part of a calculated strategy. History seems to be repeating itself—think back to the Hoover presidency. This approach appears designed to create economic desperation, forcing people to accept lower-paying jobs in order to feed their families. It’s all part of a much larger industrial plan to restore business and reshape the labor market within the United States. The Dems and Republicans benefit, this is not one sided stop thinking so small.

The Republicans are operating on a notion of "we need to cut SNAP because it will force lazy moochers to work" except a sizeable percentage of SNAP recipients are already working. and the remainder who aren't working often have issues such as disabilities that make it hard for them to work, including disabled veterans. That is who they will be cutting off.

Work for lower wages? I recall an article a little while back talking about how 13.5% of the Walmart employees in Ohio were collecting SNAP. They already can't afford to feed their families yet MAGA wants to cut their SNAP *and* pay them less.

It's unreal.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this whole thing is wrong by both sides. The republicans for sure and for everything they do! It's like they make no good decisions ever for anyone except themselves/rich.

The Dems are fools and morons who lack any ability and strategy to get anything accomplished - between egos and stupidity - they are no better than the Dems.

We need younger blood, smarter and more reasonable folks on both sides of the govt in leadership. The problem is, nobody in their right mind wants to go into govt anymore these days...

I think it's a slow slide into the mud for us. The system will really need to change in order for new leadership to develop.

Stop with the both sides BS. Republicans control all 3 branches of government.

Anonymous wrote:MAGA’s mission to “make America great again” centers on bringing jobs back to the United States. However, for those factories and companies to operate, there must be workers willing to labor for much lower wages. The recent cuts to SNAP and Medicaid benefits for all able-bodied individuals appear to be part of a calculated strategy. History seems to be repeating itself—think back to the Hoover presidency. This approach appears designed to create economic desperation, forcing people to accept lower-paying jobs in order to feed their families. It’s all part of a much larger industrial plan to restore business and reshape the labor market within the United States. The Dems and Republicans benefit, this is not one sided stop thinking so small.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this whole thing is wrong by both sides. The republicans for sure and for everything they do! It's like they make no good decisions ever for anyone except themselves/rich.

The Dems are fools and morons who lack any ability and strategy to get anything accomplished - between egos and stupidity - they are no better than the Dems.

We need younger blood, smarter and more reasonable folks on both sides of the govt in leadership. The problem is, nobody in their right mind wants to go into govt anymore these days...

I think it's a slow slide into the mud for us. The system will really need to change in order for new leadership to develop.

Stop with the both sides BS. Republicans control all 3 branches of government.

Anonymous wrote:I think this whole thing is wrong by both sides. The republicans for sure and for everything they do! It's like they make no good decisions ever for anyone except themselves/rich.

The Dems are fools and morons who lack any ability and strategy to get anything accomplished - between egos and stupidity - they are no better than the Dems.

We need younger blood, smarter and more reasonable folks on both sides of the govt in leadership. The problem is, nobody in their right mind wants to go into govt anymore these days...

I think it's a slow slide into the mud for us. The system will really need to change in order for new leadership to develop.

Anonymous wrote:People realize this was a CR right?

Meaning - the Dems wouldn't sign off on a CR.

The budgeted items passed prior to CR takes center stage whether CR passes or not.

In other words, the premiums are still going up whether the shutdown happened or not. The only thing the Dems achieved is going on record to disagree with the CR.

I'm confused as to why shutting down (and it's not even 100% shutdown to add insult to injury because it's then working for no money for a lot of folks) was a good idea for such a short time? Once 11/1 hits, the Republicans get their raised premiums no?

Anonymous wrote:I think this whole thing is wrong by both sides. The republicans for sure and for everything they do! It's like they make no good decisions ever for anyone except themselves/rich.

The Dems are fools and morons who lack any ability and strategy to get anything accomplished - between egos and stupidity - they are no better than the Dems.

We need younger blood, smarter and more reasonable folks on both sides of the govt in leadership. The problem is, nobody in their right mind wants to go into govt anymore these days...

I think it's a slow slide into the mud for us. The system will really need to change in order for new leadership to develop.

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Anonymous wrote:People realize this was a CR right?

Meaning - the Dems wouldn't sign off on a CR.

The budgeted items passed prior to CR takes center stage whether CR passes or not.

In other words, the premiums are still going up whether the shutdown happened or not. The only thing the Dems achieved is going on record to disagree with the CR.

I'm confused as to why shutting down (and it's not even 100% shutdown to add insult to injury because it's then working for no money for a lot of folks) was a good idea for such a short time? Once 11/1 hits, the Republicans get their raised premiums no?

It's good if it is a short time, because then no real damage, and also people will credit Democrats for wanting to stop premium increases.

Anonymous wrote:All hell is going to break loose if there is no SNAP benefits on the first.

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously, where is the off ramp here? At this point, the CR the republicans want voted for only goes til 11/21 anyway.

They need to get the government open. So many people missing paychecks, so many services not filled or at risk. I’m so frustrated.

I personally think the democrats should sign the 7 week CR at the end of the month to bring back on Monday 11/3. Americans on ACA will receive their increase notices on/about 11/1. That hike will create enough outrage. Dems can say the GOP agreed to negotiate ACA subsidies in the full year bill. Let Feds get back pay and another 2 checks before a thanksgiving. Returning 11/3 gives everyone 3 weeks to negotiate a deal. If the GOP refuse to extend subsidies (with added pressure from constituents) in the next CR of full year bill, then shut it down again.

the house has basically not been in session since July, meaning they haven't been working on an actual budget bill at all.

Committees have been meeting.
Plus the House leader usually just presents his own bill real quick.

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Anonymous wrote:I get it - I think Dems should be angry about this topic in raising insurance prices. The Republicans suck. They are evil. They should be stopped from raising ACA min. I'm not sure who does not agree with this except anyone who isn't affected?

But in the context of battle - what will you win and what will you lose over this, you have to think hard and deep. It cannot just be - hey - this sucks - let's go fight! In every battle, there must be a....strategy. What are your options in how best to win this battle?

The Dems seem to never have a strategy, beyond, we won't cave! And everytime, the Dems cave. Maybe this time it goes on for longer but essentially, they operate the same way. every. time.

A govt shutdown is not a strategy. It's a bargaining chip to leverage their position but it's not a strategy.

You didn't notice the times they compromised like adults, then? Because Schumer is still smarting from that last time he kept the government open with the Republicans.

The truth is that we have reached the point where Democrats now have nothing to lose. Zip. They can keep it shut down forever. At the end, it will be on Trump and his horde of monsters.

I didn't say anything about compromise? J said win the damn war. And the Dens may not have anything to kids but the people? This affected by the shutdown!??? Are they winning? You think they don't have anything to lose? It's a damn CR. It's not even a perm fix! It's the ACA premium subsidies. Pick a fight that they can win. It's not about losing and compromising / go win a fight!

You still don't get it. Republicans have got all three levers of power AND, unlike in Trump's first term, he and his cabinet and department heads are not heeding any laws or the Constitution. The Constitutional crisis is at the door. This term, the Trumpian mandate is "let's do all the illegal things and overwhelm and intimidate all the judges who aren't already on our side". It has worked, up to a point. Plenty of irreversible harm has been done with that unpardonable approach.

The only response possible is out-an-out brinkmanship. The MAGAs are terrorists. You don't negotiate with terrorists.

Shut it down.

How's that going?

Day 17. I pretty much guarantee you that at day 22 or 33 or 46 - the only ones shut down will be the Democrats who had to cave in order to get a govt running in this country.

-signed a frustrated Dem who barfs at how foolish the Dem leadership are

I think it will all catch up to the Republicans soon enough... the Dems cave, and millions of Americans, many of whom are Trump supporters are left scratching their heads over why their healthcare costs doubled, tripled, quadrupled... or went away altogether. Or why everything else has continued to get so much more expensive.

Can't blame the Dems for any of it anymore.

Of course they can. The Dems shutdown the govt! Even I as a Dem will say that as the Chuck admits it. He doesn't but of course their whole platform is about explaining the impasse - clearly they don't want to sign off on the CR so yes, the Dems want this shutdown.

The premiums are up but when you're sitting home not working ur working and not making anything, you won't look at bills you'll be wondering what to do with your day or why you are working fir no $$!!!

If the Dems just let things be, the premiums would make people mad but now everything is about the shutdown drama thanks to the Dems. And it was only a CR to Nov. in a couple wks the Dems would have had more firepower and leverage when people focused on spending more money on premiums.

You cannot win the game if you sit out. You gotta be playing to have any chance of scoring. Havent they learned anything from previous shutdowns where they had no endgame but to cave? They always do this stuff and always fail. OMG it's like the Dem leadership are all brain dead...

Worse, it appears now that MTG is leading the charge on Obamacare premium increases. The world is upside down. The narrative is getting away from the Dems and they look more out of touch than ever even as they claim they won’t negotiate bc of premiums. AAAARRRRGGGHHHH

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Anonymous wrote:All hell is going to break loose if there is no SNAP benefits on the first.

That will be followed by millions losing their healthcare. People will be pissed. And who is it that called those millions "lazy moochers" and basically wants to cut them off of SNAP and Medicare and ACA and leave them to starve, get sick and die anyhow? Republicans.

Could be at some point the democrats will just have to say, “well, we tried to save you losers from yourselves. Here are the repercussions you’ll suffer at the hands of the republicans. Good luck, dummies, vote better in November.”

Anonymous wrote:People realize this was a CR right?

Meaning - the Dems wouldn't sign off on a CR.

The budgeted items passed prior to CR takes center stage whether CR passes or not.

In other words, the premiums are still going up whether the shutdown happened or not. The only thing the Dems achieved is going on record to disagree with the CR.

I'm confused as to why shutting down (and it's not even 100% shutdown to add insult to injury because it's then working for no money for a lot of folks) was a good idea for such a short time? Once 11/1 hits, the Republicans get their raised premiums no?

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA’s mission to “make America great again” centers on bringing jobs back to the United States. However, for those factories and companies to operate, there must be workers willing to labor for much lower wages. The recent cuts to SNAP and Medicaid benefits for all able-bodied individuals appear to be part of a calculated strategy. History seems to be repeating itself—think back to the Hoover presidency. This approach appears designed to create economic desperation, forcing people to accept lower-paying jobs in order to feed their families. It’s all part of a much larger industrial plan to restore business and reshape the labor market within the United States. The Dems and Republicans benefit, this is not one sided stop thinking so small.

The Republicans are operating on a notion of "we need to cut SNAP because it will force lazy moochers to work" except a sizeable percentage of SNAP recipients are already working. and the remainder who aren't working often have issues such as disabilities that make it hard for them to work, including disabled veterans. That is who they will be cutting off.

Work for lower wages? I recall an article a little while back talking about how 13.5% of the Walmart employees in Ohio were collecting SNAP. They already can't afford to feed their families yet MAGA wants to cut their SNAP *and* pay them less.

It's unreal.