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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Because let's face it: Upper middle Class and upper class women will always have access to BC and selective termination- or just the morning after pill

AND

wealthy successful men will ALWAYS want their mistress to have an Abortion

These low income, un-educated and unemployed white men are being pandered to by these R wing GOP... and right out of even being able to get LAID

when instead, they should be doing real work on their behalf ( as stated above) : raise their wages, bring back high paying jobs, give their female prospects 18 months maternity leave, guarantee a free college education

Canada has a higher percentage of kids /family than the USA  and these policies- not religion/ abortion rights-  are why [/quote]

This is a very good point, but I think there is so much anger clouding their minds that to think creatively eludes them. I'm thinking of my brother as I write this. He loves his victimhood and takes every opportunity to point it out to my sister and I. He has started mansplaining since Trump and telling us were dumb. Never did that during the Bush years. She and I went to college, he dropped out, FWIW. [/quote]

My response to that is, it isn't just " them" are are distracted away from the solutions, we are too.

Both groups draw straw man arguments against the other. To solve it, you have to pretend to be a disspationate, highly rational  Dutch Economist

Because, though the arguments and battle lines are highly stoked with emotion these two facts are immovable:

1) Only a Woman has the right to decide whether or not to gestate and give birth to a child- the state does not control the body of any man or woman, even when incarcerated there are limits

2) men will always want  love, sex,  companionship and children as offspring - this will never change

If millions of American men are too uneducated, too lowly paid to afford to provide for a family, women will weed these men out AND we have been doing so since the 1960's because we finally can become degreed professionals, we have birth control, we can juggle as many men while dating as we want and the men have to compete harder for us

Millions of them cannot measure up to what the modern woman is looking for, so they try to pass these laws so that we can be trapped into marrying them or staying with them and somehow giving them what they want by state order

That just wont work.

The only chance the working class and lower middle class has in this country is if , like the Europeans learned looong ago- if you want to increase your birth rate- don't BAN abortion, just subsidize child care heavily, give women 18mos- 2years paid maternity leave per child, make sure these families know ANY child they bring into the world the State wil pay for 4 years of college AND their health care- cradle to grave is FREE

Try that for 20 years and see if we don't have a more educated, healthier country with less divisive and polarizing politics[/quote]

You’ve missed the whole religious angle. It’s baked into the fabric of this country, and we privilege it to an excessive degree to the point where people think their right to do XYZ under their religion should trump other’s rights to be free of the interference. We also have a thing called prosperity gospel - if God hasn’t blessed you with riches than it’s your own fault.  We simply can’t let go of the punishment aspect, especially when it’s hurting the “right” people.

I do think our culture and maybe even the gene pool is seriously debased. My slightly above average kindergartner is smarter and better behaved than half the grown people in this country. [/quote]

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