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Anonymous
05/04/2022 20:36
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because let's face it: Upper middle Class and upper class women will always have access to BC and selective termination- or just the morning after pill
AND
wealthy successful men will ALWAYS want their mistress to have an Abortion
These low income, un-educated and unemployed white men are being pandered to by these R wing GOP... and right out of even being able to get LAID
when instead, they should be doing real work on their behalf ( as stated above) : raise their wages, bring back high paying jobs, give their female prospects 18 months maternity leave, guarantee a free college education
Canada has a higher percentage of kids /family than the USA and these policies- not religion/ abortion rights- are why
This is a very good point, but I think there is so much anger clouding their minds that to think creatively eludes them. I'm thinking of my brother as I write this. He loves his victimhood and takes every opportunity to point it out to my sister and I. He has started mansplaining since Trump and telling us were dumb. Never did that during the Bush years. She and I went to college, he dropped out, FWIW.
My response to that is, it isn't just " them" are are distracted away from the solutions, we are too.
Both groups draw straw man arguments against the other. To solve it, you have to pretend to be a disspationate, highly rational Dutch Economist
Because, though the arguments and battle lines are highly stoked with emotion these two facts are immovable:
1) Only a Woman has the right to decide whether or not to gestate and give birth to a child- the state does not control the body of any man or woman, even when incarcerated there are limits
2) men will always want love, sex, companionship and children as offspring - this will never change
If millions of American men are too uneducated, too lowly paid to afford to provide for a family, women will weed these men out AND we have been doing so since the 1960's because we finally can become degreed professionals, we have birth control, we can juggle as many men while dating as we want and the men have to compete harder for us
Millions of them cannot measure up to what the modern woman is looking for, so they try to pass these laws so that we can be trapped into marrying them or staying with them and somehow giving them what they want by state order
That just wont work.
The only chance the working class and lower middle class has in this country is if , like the Europeans learned looong ago- if you want to increase your birth rate- don't BAN abortion, just subsidize child care heavily, give women 18mos- 2years paid maternity leave per child, make sure these families know ANY child they bring into the world the State wil pay for 4 years of college AND their health care- cradle to grave is FREE
Try that for 20 years and see if we don't have a more educated, healthier country with less divisive and polarizing politics
You’ve missed the whole religious angle. It’s baked into the fabric of this country, and we privilege it to an excessive degree to the point where people think their right to do XYZ under their religion should trump other’s rights to be free of the interference. We also have a thing called prosperity gospel - if God hasn’t blessed you with riches than it’s your own fault. We simply can’t let go of the punishment aspect, especially when it’s hurting the “right” people.
I do think our culture and maybe even the gene pool is seriously debased. My slightly above average kindergartner is smarter and better behaved than half the grown people in this country.
I see the religious angle as just another kind of political talk- pushing buttons and manipulating
Like I said, this is ultimately an economic problem, not a moral one
Because morally there is NO DEBATE- a woman's body is her own to do with what she wants
Anonymous
05/04/2022 20:27
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As every woman who enjoys sex and is good in bed knows: giving it gives us just as much power as refusing to
The unemployed, uneducated, divorced men who can't seem to find a woman to have their babies are about to not even get laid ever again- why would a woman even mercy f'ck them- its simply not worth the risk..
maybe they will compensate with more booze, more opiates and more time with their Dog...until they die
Prostitutes are gonna make a killing...they should be smart and raise their rates to $10K an hour
Conservative woman here. Why on EARTH are liberal women hating on, and planning to punish, ALL men? Clearly men are individual thinkers?
To Motivate them , Dear.
After All, access to sexual pleasure with women who they highly desire and , as a result, have the power to validate them ( or Not) is what motivates them to work so hard
Otherwise, we would all still be living in caves or wearing burkas
The invention of the birth control pill and legalization of abortion let me access sex much more often and much more free than they did before, without having to get married either beforehand or after the pregnancy.
Once women have to risk pregnancy every time they have sex, or depend on men to use birth control, it's a return to either abstinence or charging cash up front to cover health care costs.
Exactly, and men enjoy sex with empowered women who are enjoying themselves. Which is WHY we ALL have to go on strike starting Monday- to give Every Man in Washington: Senator , Congressman, Legislative Aid, Staffer, lawyer, lobbyist, Pentagon, CIA, FBI ALL of them a crystal Clear reality of what they will lose forever and NEVER have Back- if they don't go to Congress and pass the following Amendment to the Consitution:
" A woman is free and equal to man and her body is her free and private domain . No state or federal body shall make any law impinging on the Privacy and dignity of a woman to have full domain over her own body "
Anonymous
05/04/2022 20:24
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If one of the judges passes in the next month, can ketanji Brown step in or does she have to take breyer's seat?
Not sure. Roberts was originally nominated to take O’Connor’s seat when she announced her retirement but then Rehnquist died and he ended up taking his slot instead.
I think she was specifically nominated for the Breyer seat. The nomination document (the official one) states who the person is replacing. So it would just be an open seat unless she was renominated and reconfirmed for that open seat. I think.
"Ketanji Brown Jackson, of the District of Columbia, to be an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, vice Stephen G. Breyer, retiring." it says.
In Roberts' case Bush renominated him as chief justice after Rehnquist died.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 20:22
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Talk about judicial activism, wowsers. This is the mother opinion of all time.
There is no constitutional right to abortion. It should be a state decision.
It should be none of your business.
From https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/may/04/late-night-trevor-noah-scotus-reaction
The court’s “reverse Uno card” of a half century of precedent was chilling and strange; [Trevor] Noah reminded that it wasn’t until the year after Roe v Wade that women got the legal right to have a credit card in their own name without a man. “I think we would all agree that it would be weird if the court was suddenly like ‘if the founders wanted women to have credit cards they would have said so!’”
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You can be against abortion, but don't pretend it is some BS rights thing. Also the constitution does protect me from involuntary servitude. How is forced birth not involuntary servitude?
Anonymous
05/04/2022 20:20
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because let's face it: Upper middle Class and upper class women will always have access to BC and selective termination- or just the morning after pill
AND
wealthy successful men will ALWAYS want their mistress to have an Abortion
These low income, un-educated and unemployed white men are being pandered to by these R wing GOP... and right out of even being able to get LAID
when instead, they should be doing real work on their behalf ( as stated above) : raise their wages, bring back high paying jobs, give their female prospects 18 months maternity leave, guarantee a free college education
Canada has a higher percentage of kids /family than the USA and these policies- not religion/ abortion rights- are why
This is a very good point, but I think there is so much anger clouding their minds that to think creatively eludes them. I'm thinking of my brother as I write this. He loves his victimhood and takes every opportunity to point it out to my sister and I. He has started mansplaining since Trump and telling us were dumb. Never did that during the Bush years. She and I went to college, he dropped out, FWIW.
My response to that is, it isn't just " them" are are distracted away from the solutions, we are too.
Both groups draw straw man arguments against the other. To solve it, you have to pretend to be a disspationate, highly rational Dutch Economist
Because, though the arguments and battle lines are highly stoked with emotion these two facts are immovable:
1) Only a Woman has the right to decide whether or not to gestate and give birth to a child- the state does not control the body of any man or woman, even when incarcerated there are limits
2) men will always want love, sex, companionship and children as offspring - this will never change
If millions of American men are too uneducated, too lowly paid to afford to provide for a family, women will weed these men out AND we have been doing so since the 1960's because we finally can become degreed professionals, we have birth control, we can juggle as many men while dating as we want and the men have to compete harder for us
Millions of them cannot measure up to what the modern woman is looking for, so they try to pass these laws so that we can be trapped into marrying them or staying with them and somehow giving them what they want by state order
That just wont work.
The only chance the working class and lower middle class has in this country is if , like the Europeans learned looong ago- if you want to increase your birth rate- don't BAN abortion, just subsidize child care heavily, give women 18mos- 2years paid maternity leave per child, make sure these families know ANY child they bring into the world the State wil pay for 4 years of college AND their health care- cradle to grave is FREE
Try that for 20 years and see if we don't have a more educated, healthier country with less divisive and polarizing politics
You’ve missed the whole religious angle. It’s baked into the fabric of this country, and we privilege it to an excessive degree to the point where people think their right to do XYZ under their religion should trump other’s rights to be free of the interference. We also have a thing called prosperity gospel - if God hasn’t blessed you with riches than it’s your own fault. We simply can’t let go of the punishment aspect, especially when it’s hurting the “right” people.
I do think our culture and maybe even the gene pool is seriously debased. My slightly above average kindergartner is smarter and better behaved than half the grown people in this country.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 20:17
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Instead, the Rich GOP got a tax cut for themselves and their corporations
Health insurance lobbies keep the pressure up NOT to nationalize health care
and the GOP bans Abortion as a bone thrown to the working class- Instead of raising their wages
And with that, just about makes sure that no woman even sees them as worth the risk of a mercy F'ck ever again
The GOP are hardly in their corner and they are really suckers to fall for it
Health insurance lobbies keep the pressure up NOT to nationalize health care
and the GOP bans Abortion as a bone thrown to the working class- Instead of raising their wages
And with that, just about makes sure that no woman even sees them as worth the risk of a mercy F'ck ever again
The GOP are hardly in their corner and they are really suckers to fall for it
Anonymous
05/04/2022 20:11
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because let's face it: Upper middle Class and upper class women will always have access to BC and selective termination- or just the morning after pill
AND
wealthy successful men will ALWAYS want their mistress to have an Abortion
These low income, un-educated and unemployed white men are being pandered to by these R wing GOP... and right out of even being able to get LAID
when instead, they should be doing real work on their behalf ( as stated above) : raise their wages, bring back high paying jobs, give their female prospects 18 months maternity leave, guarantee a free college education
Canada has a higher percentage of kids /family than the USA and these policies- not religion/ abortion rights- are why
This is a very good point, but I think there is so much anger clouding their minds that to think creatively eludes them. I'm thinking of my brother as I write this. He loves his victimhood and takes every opportunity to point it out to my sister and I. He has started mansplaining since Trump and telling us were dumb. Never did that during the Bush years. She and I went to college, he dropped out, FWIW.
My response to that is, it isn't just " them" are are distracted away from the solutions, we are too.
Both groups draw straw man arguments against the other. To solve it, you have to pretend to be a disspationate, highly rational Dutch Economist
Because, though the arguments and battle lines are highly stoked with emotion these two facts are immovable:
1) Only a Woman has the right to decide whether or not to gestate and give birth to a child- the state does not control the body of any man or woman, even when incarcerated there are limits
2) men will always want love, sex, companionship and children as offspring - this will never change
If millions of American men are too uneducated, too lowly paid to afford to provide for a family, women will weed these men out AND we have been doing so since the 1960's because we finally can become degreed professionals, we have birth control, we can juggle as many men while dating as we want and the men have to compete harder for us
Millions of them cannot measure up to what the modern woman is looking for, so they try to pass these laws so that we can be trapped into marrying them or staying with them and somehow giving them what they want by state order
That just wont work.
The only chance the working class and lower middle class has in this country is if , like the Europeans learned looong ago- if you want to increase your birth rate- don't BAN abortion, just subsidize child care heavily, give women 18mos- 2years paid maternity leave per child, make sure these families know ANY child they bring into the world the State wil pay for 4 years of college AND their health care- cradle to grave is FREE
Try that for 20 years and see if we don't have a more educated, healthier country with less divisive and polarizing politics
But then we can’t scream at women to keep their legs closed : (((((
Anonymous
05/04/2022 20:07
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because let's face it: Upper middle Class and upper class women will always have access to BC and selective termination- or just the morning after pill
AND
wealthy successful men will ALWAYS want their mistress to have an Abortion
These low income, un-educated and unemployed white men are being pandered to by these R wing GOP... and right out of even being able to get LAID
when instead, they should be doing real work on their behalf ( as stated above) : raise their wages, bring back high paying jobs, give their female prospects 18 months maternity leave, guarantee a free college education
Canada has a higher percentage of kids /family than the USA and these policies- not religion/ abortion rights- are why
This is a very good point, but I think there is so much anger clouding their minds that to think creatively eludes them. I'm thinking of my brother as I write this. He loves his victimhood and takes every opportunity to point it out to my sister and I. He has started mansplaining since Trump and telling us were dumb. Never did that during the Bush years. She and I went to college, he dropped out, FWIW.
My response to that is, it isn't just " them" are are distracted away from the solutions, we are too.
Both groups draw straw man arguments against the other. To solve it, you have to pretend to be a disspationate, highly rational Dutch Economist
Because, though the arguments and battle lines are highly stoked with emotion these two facts are immovable:
1) Only a Woman has the right to decide whether or not to gestate and give birth to a child- the state does not control the body of any man or woman, even when incarcerated there are limits
2) men will always want love, sex, companionship and children as offspring - this will never change
If millions of American men are too uneducated, too lowly paid to afford to provide for a family, women will weed these men out AND we have been doing so since the 1960's because we finally can become degreed professionals, we have birth control, we can juggle as many men while dating as we want and the men have to compete harder for us
Millions of them cannot measure up to what the modern woman is looking for, so they try to pass these laws so that we can be trapped into marrying them or staying with them and somehow giving them what they want by state order
That just wont work.
The only chance the working class and lower middle class has in this country is if , like the Europeans learned looong ago- if you want to increase your birth rate- don't BAN abortion, just subsidize child care heavily, give women 18mos- 2years paid maternity leave per child, make sure these families know ANY child they bring into the world the State wil pay for 4 years of college AND their health care- cradle to grave is FREE
Try that for 20 years and see if we don't have a more educated, healthier country with less divisive and polarizing politics
Anonymous
05/04/2022 20:01
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Republican president and Congress elected in 2024. What happens when they ban abortion everywhere? Are people just going to put up with it? Is this when the US finally bursts? Trump or DeSantis would love to do this.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 19:55
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I did not have this on my midterms bingo card
why not - decision would have come out in July anyway and it was obvious that W/ACB SCOTUS had a majority for overruling Roe.
+1 That’s why I suspect the leak was not by a liberal, because it would have more impact then than now.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 19:55
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d like the legal community to wake up. This opinion might be the worst I’ve seen in my lifetime. Did a 1l write it as a joke?
It is a mess. There's no way it's a final opinion. Barrett has devoted much of her professional life to anti-Roe writings, and Gorsuch is a much better writer. Surely the 2 of them have massaged it into something that is more palatable.
Then again, maybe that was too hard, and that's why Kavanaugh may defect. He still has to be able to show his face at the Chevy Chase Club.
It's done and that's why Ginni leaked it. Can't let Kav stray when they're this close to eliminating the concept of unenumerated inherent rights.
Speaking of which, hey CATO people. Still think your devil's bargain was worth it?
https://reason.com/2022/05/04/alitos-draft-opinion-that-would-overturn-roe-is-a-disaster-of-legal-reasoning/
+1. I’m with you on Ginny. Motive, means, and opportunity. Double motive if you count the Kav angle and the fact that everyone freaking out over this draft opinion means her participation in the seditious conspiracy of January 6 is back page news.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 19:52
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d like the legal community to wake up. This opinion might be the worst I’ve seen in my lifetime. Did a 1l write it as a joke?
It is a mess. There's no way it's a final opinion. Barrett has devoted much of her professional life to anti-Roe writings, and Gorsuch is a much better writer. Surely the 2 of them have massaged it into something that is more palatable.
Then again, maybe that was too hard, and that's why Kavanaugh may defect. He still has to be able to show his face at the Chevy Chase Club.
It's done and that's why Ginni leaked it. Can't let Kav stray when they're this close to eliminating the concept of unenumerated inherent rights.
Speaking of which, hey CATO people. Still think your devil's bargain was worth it?
https://reason.com/2022/05/04/alitos-draft-opinion-that-would-overturn-roe-is-a-disaster-of-legal-reasoning/
Anonymous
05/04/2022 19:51
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:I did not have this on my midterms bingo card
why not - decision would have come out in July anyway and it was obvious that W/ACB SCOTUS had a majority for overruling Roe.