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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You had me until you said there was nothing bad about Russian food.  Russian food is horrible.  All the good stuff is Polish or Georgian.  The rest is just cabbage and dill.  [/quote]

I'm counting Beef Stroganoff, Pelmeni, Syrniki, Pirozhki, Blini, Shashlik...  I know I know, you're gonna say it's "not Russian", but that's like saying tandoori isn't mainstream English food.. the fact is that without tandoori, I probably would've starved in London..[/quote]

Stroganoff yes, but inspired by other cuisines.  Pelmeni came from Siberian people.  Syrniki has Ukrainian etymology rather than Russian творог.  And certainly Russia can't lay unique claim to pancakes. A lot is borrowed/appropriated from other people and cultures.[/quote]

Appropriated! No credibility for you
-DP[/quote]

Debating the cultural value of a country, any country, is detrimental to freedom.  As soon as you decide which countries are "worthy" you imply which countries are less worthy of their territorial integrity.  This is in part what Putin did in the run-up to the invasion of Ukraine.  Doing it back to Russia only legitimizes the idea of judging a country's worthiness for self determination.[/quote]

Ehh, I'm fine with delegitimizing Russia because they don't care about the worthiness or self-determination of other countries, like Ukraine.[/quote]

No one really knows what self determination is or how it works. It has never been applied to countries equally or fairly. It’s mostly driven by his favored the country is. Like, I bet if a part of Russia suddenly voted to join Finland, they’d get a serious hearing. Artsakh wants to be a part of Armenia? Or be independent? Bubkes for them. Kosovo ? Now you’re talking.[/quote]

"A wave of looting has reportedly hit a border zone in Russia as Vladimir Putin's authorities lose control of the Belgorod Oblast region.  Homes and local shops appeared to be targeted by Russian looters amid the chaos as tens of thousands of Russians evacuating border areas in the Belgorod region as pro-Ukraine forces hit back at Russia.  A video from the town of Shebekino showed a building ablaze after a suspected strike."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12155125/Wave-looting-ravages-Russian-border-region-amid-intense-shelling-anti-Kremlin-forces.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crtHalxTE3g
[3:20 / 9:51] Evstafiev: "a universe of death"
[6:50 / 9:51] Solovyov: "They're bombing a peaceful city!"

Does anyone find it ironic that Solovyov's guest Dmitry Evstafiev (Mr. Nutella) calls Bakhmut "a universe of death", and buttercup Solovyov is upset about Shebekino?

“I am furious. A beautiful Russian city located on our land is being ironed! And we say in all seriousness: “They tried (to perform — edit.) a terrorist attack in the Belgorod region, and they did not succeed.” But they did succeed! They turned the life of the inhabitants of Shebekino into a pure hell!”
https://charter97.org/en/news/2023/6/3/550521/

Boris Nadezhdin: "Under the current political regime, there is no way for us to come back to Europe.  We just simply have to choose different authorities to govern this country and stop this story with Ukraine"
"Next year we will have elections.  We will need to choose someone else.  And not Putin.  Everything will be good then."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12148661/Call-Putin-replaced-state-TV-Extraordinary-criticism-levelled-Vladimir.html?ico=related-replace

Now that the Ukrainian War is spilling over within Russia's borders, the propagandists are having difficulty controlling the message.

I think it's just a matter of time before they begin turning on Putin (assuming they haven't done so already?)[/quote]

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