"A wave of looting has reportedly hit a border zone in Russia as Vladimir Putin's authorities lose control of the Belgorod Oblast region.”

They don’t lose control. It’s as if there was an earthquake or a tsunami - looting there too.
And no I am a not a pro Russian bot and I think Russia will lose in the end. But let’s not misunderstand what’s going on.
There is no lost control (to who?!) and there will be no Russians turning on Putin. It will all come from the outside.

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Anonymous wrote:You had me until you said there was nothing bad about Russian food. Russian food is horrible. All the good stuff is Polish or Georgian. The rest is just cabbage and dill.

I'm counting Beef Stroganoff, Pelmeni, Syrniki, Pirozhki, Blini, Shashlik... I know I know, you're gonna say it's "not Russian", but that's like saying tandoori isn't mainstream English food.. the fact is that without tandoori, I probably would've starved in London..

Stroganoff yes, but inspired by other cuisines. Pelmeni came from Siberian people. Syrniki has Ukrainian etymology rather than Russian творог. And certainly Russia can't lay unique claim to pancakes. A lot is borrowed/appropriated from other people and cultures.

Appropriated! No credibility for you
-DP

Debating the cultural value of a country, any country, is detrimental to freedom. As soon as you decide which countries are "worthy" you imply which countries are less worthy of their territorial integrity. This is in part what Putin did in the run-up to the invasion of Ukraine. Doing it back to Russia only legitimizes the idea of judging a country's worthiness for self determination.

Ehh, I'm fine with delegitimizing Russia because they don't care about the worthiness or self-determination of other countries, like Ukraine.

No one really knows what self determination is or how it works. It has never been applied to countries equally or fairly. It’s mostly driven by his favored the country is. Like, I bet if a part of Russia suddenly voted to join Finland, they’d get a serious hearing. Artsakh wants to be a part of Armenia? Or be independent? Bubkes for them. Kosovo ? Now you’re talking.

With places like Finland, it pays to have friends.

As for some of the others, what meaningful friends do they have now? Armenia was for years basically a Russian client state, and they counted on Russia for protection. But now they know Russia is no longer there for them, CIS/CSTO etc have pretty much become a joke. Serbia may wake up to the same realization

DP but I am afraid you are are confusing cause and effect here. “The west” was always pro Azeri and anti Serbia which made Armenia and Serbia move to the other side

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Anonymous wrote:You had me until you said there was nothing bad about Russian food. Russian food is horrible. All the good stuff is Polish or Georgian. The rest is just cabbage and dill.

I'm counting Beef Stroganoff, Pelmeni, Syrniki, Pirozhki, Blini, Shashlik... I know I know, you're gonna say it's "not Russian", but that's like saying tandoori isn't mainstream English food.. the fact is that without tandoori, I probably would've starved in London..

Stroganoff yes, but inspired by other cuisines. Pelmeni came from Siberian people. Syrniki has Ukrainian etymology rather than Russian творог. And certainly Russia can't lay unique claim to pancakes. A lot is borrowed/appropriated from other people and cultures.

Appropriated! No credibility for you
-DP

Debating the cultural value of a country, any country, is detrimental to freedom. As soon as you decide which countries are "worthy" you imply which countries are less worthy of their territorial integrity. This is in part what Putin did in the run-up to the invasion of Ukraine. Doing it back to Russia only legitimizes the idea of judging a country's worthiness for self determination.

I was talking about Russian food for Pete’s sake! Once you start debating whether it’s Russian or “Siberian” and use the term appropriation you lose credibility sorry

DP... when you have a meltdown over the word "appropriation" you end up in the same cringe space as the anti-wokers who can't even define what woke means.

Well, and I think the word appropriation is just one of those nonsensical terms that people who live in the land of unicorns take so seriously. It’s a matter of preference, nothing more.
And no, I am not having a meltdown. I am just making my judgment. FTR I don’t take either side of the woke debate seriously. The word has been discredited by idiots but the phenomenon still exists.

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Anonymous wrote:You had me until you said there was nothing bad about Russian food. Russian food is horrible. All the good stuff is Polish or Georgian. The rest is just cabbage and dill.

I'm counting Beef Stroganoff, Pelmeni, Syrniki, Pirozhki, Blini, Shashlik... I know I know, you're gonna say it's "not Russian", but that's like saying tandoori isn't mainstream English food.. the fact is that without tandoori, I probably would've starved in London..

Stroganoff yes, but inspired by other cuisines. Pelmeni came from Siberian people. Syrniki has Ukrainian etymology rather than Russian творог. And certainly Russia can't lay unique claim to pancakes. A lot is borrowed/appropriated from other people and cultures.

Appropriated! No credibility for you
-DP

Debating the cultural value of a country, any country, is detrimental to freedom. As soon as you decide which countries are "worthy" you imply which countries are less worthy of their territorial integrity. This is in part what Putin did in the run-up to the invasion of Ukraine. Doing it back to Russia only legitimizes the idea of judging a country's worthiness for self determination.

I was talking about Russian food for Pete’s sake! Once you start debating whether it’s Russian or “Siberian” and use the term appropriation you lose credibility sorry

DP... when you have a meltdown over the word "appropriation" you end up in the same cringe space as the anti-wokers who can't even define what woke means.

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Anonymous wrote:You had me until you said there was nothing bad about Russian food. Russian food is horrible. All the good stuff is Polish or Georgian. The rest is just cabbage and dill.

I'm counting Beef Stroganoff, Pelmeni, Syrniki, Pirozhki, Blini, Shashlik... I know I know, you're gonna say it's "not Russian", but that's like saying tandoori isn't mainstream English food.. the fact is that without tandoori, I probably would've starved in London..

Stroganoff yes, but inspired by other cuisines. Pelmeni came from Siberian people. Syrniki has Ukrainian etymology rather than Russian творог. And certainly Russia can't lay unique claim to pancakes. A lot is borrowed/appropriated from other people and cultures.

Appropriated! No credibility for you
-DP

Debating the cultural value of a country, any country, is detrimental to freedom. As soon as you decide which countries are "worthy" you imply which countries are less worthy of their territorial integrity. This is in part what Putin did in the run-up to the invasion of Ukraine. Doing it back to Russia only legitimizes the idea of judging a country's worthiness for self determination.

Ehh, I'm fine with delegitimizing Russia because they don't care about the worthiness or self-determination of other countries, like Ukraine.

No one really knows what self determination is or how it works. It has never been applied to countries equally or fairly. It’s mostly driven by his favored the country is. Like, I bet if a part of Russia suddenly voted to join Finland, they’d get a serious hearing. Artsakh wants to be a part of Armenia? Or be independent? Bubkes for them. Kosovo ? Now you’re talking.

With places like Finland, it pays to have friends.

As for some of the others, what meaningful friends do they have now? Armenia was for years basically a Russian client state, and they counted on Russia for protection. But now they know Russia is no longer there for them, CIS/CSTO etc have pretty much become a joke. Serbia may wake up to the same realization

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Anonymous wrote:You had me until you said there was nothing bad about Russian food. Russian food is horrible. All the good stuff is Polish or Georgian. The rest is just cabbage and dill.

I'm counting Beef Stroganoff, Pelmeni, Syrniki, Pirozhki, Blini, Shashlik... I know I know, you're gonna say it's "not Russian", but that's like saying tandoori isn't mainstream English food.. the fact is that without tandoori, I probably would've starved in London..

Stroganoff yes, but inspired by other cuisines. Pelmeni came from Siberian people. Syrniki has Ukrainian etymology rather than Russian творог. And certainly Russia can't lay unique claim to pancakes. A lot is borrowed/appropriated from other people and cultures.

Appropriated! No credibility for you
-DP

Debating the cultural value of a country, any country, is detrimental to freedom. As soon as you decide which countries are "worthy" you imply which countries are less worthy of their territorial integrity. This is in part what Putin did in the run-up to the invasion of Ukraine. Doing it back to Russia only legitimizes the idea of judging a country's worthiness for self determination.

Ehh, I'm fine with delegitimizing Russia because they don't care about the worthiness or self-determination of other countries, like Ukraine.

No one really knows what self determination is or how it works. It has never been applied to countries equally or fairly. It’s mostly driven by his favored the country is. Like, I bet if a part of Russia suddenly voted to join Finland, they’d get a serious hearing. Artsakh wants to be a part of Armenia? Or be independent? Bubkes for them. Kosovo ? Now you’re talking.

"A wave of looting has reportedly hit a border zone in Russia as Vladimir Putin's authorities lose control of the Belgorod Oblast region. Homes and local shops appeared to be targeted by Russian looters amid the chaos as tens of thousands of Russians evacuating border areas in the Belgorod region as pro-Ukraine forces hit back at Russia. A video from the town of Shebekino showed a building ablaze after a suspected strike."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12155125/Wave-looting-ravages-Russian-border-region-amid-intense-shelling-anti-Kremlin-forces.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crtHalxTE3g
[3:20 / 9:51] Evstafiev: "a universe of death"
[6:50 / 9:51] Solovyov: "They're bombing a peaceful city!"

Does anyone find it ironic that Solovyov's guest Dmitry Evstafiev (Mr. Nutella) calls Bakhmut "a universe of death", and buttercup Solovyov is upset about Shebekino?

“I am furious. A beautiful Russian city located on our land is being ironed! And we say in all seriousness: “They tried (to perform — edit.) a terrorist attack in the Belgorod region, and they did not succeed.” But they did succeed! They turned the life of the inhabitants of Shebekino into a pure hell!”
https://charter97.org/en/news/2023/6/3/550521/

Boris Nadezhdin: "Under the current political regime, there is no way for us to come back to Europe. We just simply have to choose different authorities to govern this country and stop this story with Ukraine"
"Next year we will have elections. We will need to choose someone else. And not Putin. Everything will be good then."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12148661/Call-Putin-replaced-state-TV-Extraordinary-criticism-levelled-Vladimir.html?ico=related-replace

Now that the Ukrainian War is spilling over within Russia's borders, the propagandists are having difficulty controlling the message.

I think it's just a matter of time before they begin turning on Putin (assuming they haven't done so already?)

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Anonymous wrote:You had me until you said there was nothing bad about Russian food. Russian food is horrible. All the good stuff is Polish or Georgian. The rest is just cabbage and dill.

I'm counting Beef Stroganoff, Pelmeni, Syrniki, Pirozhki, Blini, Shashlik... I know I know, you're gonna say it's "not Russian", but that's like saying tandoori isn't mainstream English food.. the fact is that without tandoori, I probably would've starved in London..

Stroganoff yes, but inspired by other cuisines. Pelmeni came from Siberian people. Syrniki has Ukrainian etymology rather than Russian творог. And certainly Russia can't lay unique claim to pancakes. A lot is borrowed/appropriated from other people and cultures.

Appropriated! No credibility for you
-DP

Debating the cultural value of a country, any country, is detrimental to freedom. As soon as you decide which countries are "worthy" you imply which countries are less worthy of their territorial integrity. This is in part what Putin did in the run-up to the invasion of Ukraine. Doing it back to Russia only legitimizes the idea of judging a country's worthiness for self determination.

Ehh, I'm fine with delegitimizing Russia because they don't care about the worthiness or self-determination of other countries, like Ukraine.

No one really knows what self determination is or how it works. It has never been applied to countries equally or fairly. It’s mostly driven by his favored the country is. Like, I bet if a part of Russia suddenly voted to join Finland, they’d get a serious hearing. Artsakh wants to be a part of Armenia? Or be independent? Bubkes for them. Kosovo ? Now you’re talking.

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Anonymous wrote:You had me until you said there was nothing bad about Russian food. Russian food is horrible. All the good stuff is Polish or Georgian. The rest is just cabbage and dill.

I'm counting Beef Stroganoff, Pelmeni, Syrniki, Pirozhki, Blini, Shashlik... I know I know, you're gonna say it's "not Russian", but that's like saying tandoori isn't mainstream English food.. the fact is that without tandoori, I probably would've starved in London..

Stroganoff yes, but inspired by other cuisines. Pelmeni came from Siberian people. Syrniki has Ukrainian etymology rather than Russian творог. And certainly Russia can't lay unique claim to pancakes. A lot is borrowed/appropriated from other people and cultures.

Appropriated! No credibility for you
-DP

Debating the cultural value of a country, any country, is detrimental to freedom. As soon as you decide which countries are "worthy" you imply which countries are less worthy of their territorial integrity. This is in part what Putin did in the run-up to the invasion of Ukraine. Doing it back to Russia only legitimizes the idea of judging a country's worthiness for self determination.

I was talking about Russian food for Pete’s sake! Once you start debating whether it’s Russian or “Siberian” and use the term appropriation you lose credibility sorry

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Anonymous wrote:You had me until you said there was nothing bad about Russian food. Russian food is horrible. All the good stuff is Polish or Georgian. The rest is just cabbage and dill.

I'm counting Beef Stroganoff, Pelmeni, Syrniki, Pirozhki, Blini, Shashlik... I know I know, you're gonna say it's "not Russian", but that's like saying tandoori isn't mainstream English food.. the fact is that without tandoori, I probably would've starved in London..

English food is notoriously terrible. It's an apt comparison. The good stuff is all remnants of its colonial empire while the homegrown stuff is bland and pedestrian. Both have even appropriated their "national" dish - pelmeni and chicken tikka masala.

Ok so you’re a gastronomic as well as a geographic idiot. Siberia is a part of Russia. Always has been, has never been an independent state and has never entertained any ambitions as to independence. You’re just having problems dealing with such a large and diverse country. Honey, carve this into your cortex: the country ends at Vladivostok, not Moscow ring road.

Also: bland? Pelmeni is your answer. Essentially bland dough wrapped around ground meat. You’d have to add a ton of sour cream and pepper to it to make it taste like anything other than ground meat. It’s ok if you’ve never had good Russian food. Maybe they’ve perceived your phobia and fed you crap, let’s not waste good caviar on this moron.

Siberia has always been part of Russia? Is that what they teach in Russian schools? Because it's not really true. Siberia was colonized by Russia in the 17th century. Prior to that it had a long history as part of the Mongol empire et cetera.

17th century lol. Now I know for a fact all they fed you were pirozhki with ground kittens and choco-coated pork lard. That explains the bitterness.

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Anonymous wrote:You had me until you said there was nothing bad about Russian food. Russian food is horrible. All the good stuff is Polish or Georgian. The rest is just cabbage and dill.

I'm counting Beef Stroganoff, Pelmeni, Syrniki, Pirozhki, Blini, Shashlik... I know I know, you're gonna say it's "not Russian", but that's like saying tandoori isn't mainstream English food.. the fact is that without tandoori, I probably would've starved in London..

Stroganoff yes, but inspired by other cuisines. Pelmeni came from Siberian people. Syrniki has Ukrainian etymology rather than Russian творог. And certainly Russia can't lay unique claim to pancakes. A lot is borrowed/appropriated from other people and cultures.

Appropriated! No credibility for you
-DP

Debating the cultural value of a country, any country, is detrimental to freedom. As soon as you decide which countries are "worthy" you imply which countries are less worthy of their territorial integrity. This is in part what Putin did in the run-up to the invasion of Ukraine. Doing it back to Russia only legitimizes the idea of judging a country's worthiness for self determination.

Ehh, I'm fine with delegitimizing Russia because they don't care about the worthiness or self-determination of other countries, like Ukraine.

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Anonymous wrote:You had me until you said there was nothing bad about Russian food. Russian food is horrible. All the good stuff is Polish or Georgian. The rest is just cabbage and dill.

I'm counting Beef Stroganoff, Pelmeni, Syrniki, Pirozhki, Blini, Shashlik... I know I know, you're gonna say it's "not Russian", but that's like saying tandoori isn't mainstream English food.. the fact is that without tandoori, I probably would've starved in London..

English food is notoriously terrible. It's an apt comparison. The good stuff is all remnants of its colonial empire while the homegrown stuff is bland and pedestrian. Both have even appropriated their "national" dish - pelmeni and chicken tikka masala.

Ok so you’re a gastronomic as well as a geographic idiot. Siberia is a part of Russia. Always has been, has never been an independent state and has never entertained any ambitions as to independence. You’re just having problems dealing with such a large and diverse country. Honey, carve this into your cortex: the country ends at Vladivostok, not Moscow ring road.

Also: bland? Pelmeni is your answer. Essentially bland dough wrapped around ground meat. You’d have to add a ton of sour cream and pepper to it to make it taste like anything other than ground meat. It’s ok if you’ve never had good Russian food. Maybe they’ve perceived your phobia and fed you crap, let’s not waste good caviar on this moron.

Siberia has always been part of Russia? Is that what they teach in Russian schools? Because it's not really true. Siberia was colonized by Russia in the 17th century. Prior to that it had a long history as part of the Mongol empire et cetera.

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Anonymous wrote:You had me until you said there was nothing bad about Russian food. Russian food is horrible. All the good stuff is Polish or Georgian. The rest is just cabbage and dill.

I'm counting Beef Stroganoff, Pelmeni, Syrniki, Pirozhki, Blini, Shashlik... I know I know, you're gonna say it's "not Russian", but that's like saying tandoori isn't mainstream English food.. the fact is that without tandoori, I probably would've starved in London..

Stroganoff yes, but inspired by other cuisines. Pelmeni came from Siberian people. Syrniki has Ukrainian etymology rather than Russian творог. And certainly Russia can't lay unique claim to pancakes. A lot is borrowed/appropriated from other people and cultures.

Appropriated! No credibility for you
-DP

Debating the cultural value of a country, any country, is detrimental to freedom. As soon as you decide which countries are "worthy" you imply which countries are less worthy of their territorial integrity. This is in part what Putin did in the run-up to the invasion of Ukraine. Doing it back to Russia only legitimizes the idea of judging a country's worthiness for self determination.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone following sld2023?

Indonesian defense minister said peace and negotiation needs to happen and all the euro participants got big mad

Indonesia is one of the largest countries in the world and over the coming century will rocket up the table in economic and geopolitical heft

Ukraines peace formula is more like an ultimatum.

A gang breaks in your home, kills your grandmother, rapes your wife, takes one of your kids. Then the gang says they're going to live in your living room and it's not yours anymore.

Your neighbor hands you a shotgun and you take down some of them. You make an ultimatum that you'll keep shooting at them until they leave.

The remaining gang members say, 'it's not fair' but still want to keep the living room.

Is that what you're saying should happen in Ukraine? Hmm?

Happened to Palestinians and I don’t see you starting threads about it. Countries change borders. Sometimes involuntarily. Ukraine helped itself to a chunk of Poland and Romania, so?

Seriously you have not seen threads about Palestine and Israel???

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Anonymous wrote:You had me until you said there was nothing bad about Russian food. Russian food is horrible. All the good stuff is Polish or Georgian. The rest is just cabbage and dill.

I'm counting Beef Stroganoff, Pelmeni, Syrniki, Pirozhki, Blini, Shashlik... I know I know, you're gonna say it's "not Russian", but that's like saying tandoori isn't mainstream English food.. the fact is that without tandoori, I probably would've starved in London..

Stroganoff yes, but inspired by other cuisines. Pelmeni came from Siberian people. Syrniki has Ukrainian etymology rather than Russian творог. And certainly Russia can't lay unique claim to pancakes. A lot is borrowed/appropriated from other people and cultures.

Appropriated! No credibility for you
-DP

One small correction: there was no lack of Nutella before 2022 outside of Moscow. Not sure what it is now. I am sure they have domestic alternatives though.