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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][twitter][quote=Anonymous]I am not going to read anything against this guy for several reasons.

1. When an action is wrong it is wrong, no matter who is the recipient. In the United States, it doesn't matter if someone committed a crime, you still can't violate his human rights. It doesn't matter if someone once upon a time broke the law, you still can't shoot him in the back. We are discussing the actions of this administration, not the moral character of its victims.

2. The Trump administration always villifies victims (see Renee Good, Alex Pretti and EVERYONE else they have shot) as well as everyone they have detained ("the worst of the worst"). This is the MO and it has gotten old, tired, and is full of holes.

3. The Trump administration are proven fabricators of stories. They are liars. I no longer believe ANYTHING this government says. It is too bad because there are likely some truths mixed in with the lies but I no longer believe one single thing. This is what happens when you lie and lie again: the erosion of trust. If your lips are moving, I assume you are lying.

4. The Trump administration can break laws with impunity and the rest of us are held to an impossibly high standard. I reject this hypocrisy.

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+1000

The effort to smear this guy is disgraceful [/quote]

Literally a drug dealer who abandoned his family in Ireland.

Just give up, nobody need make any effort to “smear” him, he smeared himself.

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If he’s all that, why did he bring himself to the attention of the media? Why did he ask the Irish government to intercede on his behalf with the Trump administration? 
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DP. For the record, The Guardian reported on the drug warrant. [/quote]

I don’t care if he was Jeffrey Dahmer. His character and past is not the point. By being white and foreign, he is bringing attention to the way immigration authorities in the US treat visa overstayers (overstaying your visa, even by decades, is not a crime under current US law)  and to the abhorrent conditions in US detention centers. [/quote]

PP here. I agree with you 100% regarding the abhorrent and unlawful treatment of immigrants.

However, I think that’s only half of the story. To appeal to the majority of Americans, we also need to acknowledge that there’s no way that people like this should be in the US.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Recognize that a grotesquely broken immigration system requires an aggressive fix and also unequivocally reject Trump’s wanton cruelty.

That’s both the right thing to do and the winning political strategy here. [/quote]

There shouldn’t be intentional cruelty, but it is also important to recognize that when law enforcement detains someone it isn’t going to be a trip to a resort.  There are millions and millions of people in the US illegally and bringing the problem under control is going to be an immense effort.

There are some here who will insist that any enforcement at all is “cruel,” a bad faith strategy to change immigration law by making it impossible to enforce kindly enough for people who will never accept any enforcement.

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