Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[twitter]Anonymous wrote:I am not going to read anything against this guy for several reasons.
1. When an action is wrong it is wrong, no matter who is the recipient. In the United States, it doesn't matter if someone committed a crime, you still can't violate his human rights. It doesn't matter if someone once upon a time broke the law, you still can't shoot him in the back. We are discussing the actions of this administration, not the moral character of its victims.
2. The Trump administration always villifies victims (see Renee Good, Alex Pretti and EVERYONE else they have shot) as well as everyone they have detained ("the worst of the worst"). This is the MO and it has gotten old, tired, and is full of holes.
3. The Trump administration are proven fabricators of stories. They are liars. I no longer believe ANYTHING this government says. It is too bad because there are likely some truths mixed in with the lies but I no longer believe one single thing. This is what happens when you lie and lie again: the erosion of trust. If your lips are moving, I assume you are lying.
4. The Trump administration can break laws with impunity and the rest of us are held to an impossibly high standard. I reject this hypocrisy.
+1000
The effort to smear this guy is disgraceful
Literally a drug dealer who abandoned his family in Ireland.
Just give up, nobody need make any effort to “smear” him, he smeared himself.
If he’s all that, why did he bring himself to the attention of the media? Why did he ask the Irish government to intercede on his behalf with the Trump administration?
DP. For the record, The Guardian reported on the drug warrant.
I don’t care if he was Jeffrey Dahmer. His character and past is not the point. By being white and foreign, he is bringing attention to the way immigration authorities in the US treat visa overstayers (overstaying your visa, even by decades, is not a crime under current US law) and to the abhorrent conditions in US detention centers.
PP here. I agree with you 100% regarding the abhorrent and unlawful treatment of immigrants.
However, I think that’s only half of the story. To appeal to the majority of Americans, we also need to acknowledge that there’s no way that people like this should be in the US.
We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Recognize that a grotesquely broken immigration system requires an aggressive fix and also unequivocally reject Trump’s wanton cruelty.
That’s both the right thing to do and the winning political strategy here.
There shouldn’t be intentional cruelty, but it is also important to recognize that when law enforcement detains someone it isn’t going to be a trip to a resort. There are millions and millions of people in the US illegally and bringing the problem under control is going to be an immense effort.
There are some here who will insist that any enforcement at all is “cruel,” a bad faith strategy to change immigration law by making it impossible to enforce kindly enough for people who will never accept any enforcement.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[twitter]Anonymous wrote:I am not going to read anything against this guy for several reasons.
1. When an action is wrong it is wrong, no matter who is the recipient. In the United States, it doesn't matter if someone committed a crime, you still can't violate his human rights. It doesn't matter if someone once upon a time broke the law, you still can't shoot him in the back. We are discussing the actions of this administration, not the moral character of its victims.
2. The Trump administration always villifies victims (see Renee Good, Alex Pretti and EVERYONE else they have shot) as well as everyone they have detained ("the worst of the worst"). This is the MO and it has gotten old, tired, and is full of holes.
3. The Trump administration are proven fabricators of stories. They are liars. I no longer believe ANYTHING this government says. It is too bad because there are likely some truths mixed in with the lies but I no longer believe one single thing. This is what happens when you lie and lie again: the erosion of trust. If your lips are moving, I assume you are lying.
4. The Trump administration can break laws with impunity and the rest of us are held to an impossibly high standard. I reject this hypocrisy.
+1000
The effort to smear this guy is disgraceful
Literally a drug dealer who abandoned his family in Ireland.
Just give up, nobody need make any effort to “smear” him, he smeared himself.
If he’s all that, why did he bring himself to the attention of the media? Why did he ask the Irish government to intercede on his behalf with the Trump administration?
DP. For the record, The Guardian reported on the drug warrant.
I don’t care if he was Jeffrey Dahmer. His character and past is not the point. By being white and foreign, he is bringing attention to the way immigration authorities in the US treat visa overstayers (overstaying your visa, even by decades, is not a crime under current US law) and to the abhorrent conditions in US detention centers.
PP here. I agree with you 100% regarding the abhorrent and unlawful treatment of immigrants.
However, I think that’s only half of the story. To appeal to the majority of Americans, we also need to acknowledge that there’s no way that people like this should be in the US.
We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Recognize that a grotesquely broken immigration system requires an aggressive fix and also unequivocally reject Trump’s wanton cruelty.
That’s both the right thing to do and the winning political strategy here.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[twitter]Anonymous wrote:I am not going to read anything against this guy for several reasons.
1. When an action is wrong it is wrong, no matter who is the recipient. In the United States, it doesn't matter if someone committed a crime, you still can't violate his human rights. It doesn't matter if someone once upon a time broke the law, you still can't shoot him in the back. We are discussing the actions of this administration, not the moral character of its victims.
2. The Trump administration always villifies victims (see Renee Good, Alex Pretti and EVERYONE else they have shot) as well as everyone they have detained ("the worst of the worst"). This is the MO and it has gotten old, tired, and is full of holes.
3. The Trump administration are proven fabricators of stories. They are liars. I no longer believe ANYTHING this government says. It is too bad because there are likely some truths mixed in with the lies but I no longer believe one single thing. This is what happens when you lie and lie again: the erosion of trust. If your lips are moving, I assume you are lying.
4. The Trump administration can break laws with impunity and the rest of us are held to an impossibly high standard. I reject this hypocrisy.
+1000
The effort to smear this guy is disgraceful
Literally a drug dealer who abandoned his family in Ireland.
Just give up, nobody need make any effort to “smear” him, he smeared himself.
If he’s all that, why did he bring himself to the attention of the media? Why did he ask the Irish government to intercede on his behalf with the Trump administration?
DP. For the record, The Guardian reported on the drug warrant.
I don’t care if he was Jeffrey Dahmer. His character and past is not the point. By being white and foreign, he is bringing attention to the way immigration authorities in the US treat visa overstayers (overstaying your visa, even by decades, is not a crime under current US law) and to the abhorrent conditions in US detention centers.
PP here. I agree with you 100% regarding the abhorrent and unlawful treatment of immigrants.
However, I think that’s only half of the story. To appeal to the majority of Americans, we also need to acknowledge that there’s no way that people like this should be in the US.
We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Recognize that a grotesquely broken immigration system requires an aggressive fix and also unequivocally reject Trump’s wanton cruelty.
That’s both the right thing to do and the winning political strategy here.
You say “people like this.” What do you mean, exactly? Is he facing criminal or civil charges in Ireland? Then presumably that would come out during his background screening for his green card.
Anonymous wrote:The guy is an accused drug dealer who is a liar. Why should anyone believe anything he says about the conditions where he is at? He complained about all the Latino people in his tent and other people who don’t speak English.
His wife posted a go fund me that collected $30,000 so he could go home to his wife and 2 children meaning his two Doberman pinchers. Someone related to the twins he abandoned in Ireland and who never received any support from him posted that he has 2 real human children. They were contacted by his wife or sister to take down the post because it would hurt his ICE case.
The twins says the foubd him in Facebook and contacted him at age 12 and again 15/16 and he still didn’t send child support.
He’s proven he will lie and manipulate situations to benefit himself. He now has zero supporters in Ireland. I don’t believe anything that comes out of his mouth. He is a stereotypical Trump supporter!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[twitter]Anonymous wrote:I am not going to read anything against this guy for several reasons.
1. When an action is wrong it is wrong, no matter who is the recipient. In the United States, it doesn't matter if someone committed a crime, you still can't violate his human rights. It doesn't matter if someone once upon a time broke the law, you still can't shoot him in the back. We are discussing the actions of this administration, not the moral character of its victims.
2. The Trump administration always villifies victims (see Renee Good, Alex Pretti and EVERYONE else they have shot) as well as everyone they have detained ("the worst of the worst"). This is the MO and it has gotten old, tired, and is full of holes.
3. The Trump administration are proven fabricators of stories. They are liars. I no longer believe ANYTHING this government says. It is too bad because there are likely some truths mixed in with the lies but I no longer believe one single thing. This is what happens when you lie and lie again: the erosion of trust. If your lips are moving, I assume you are lying.
4. The Trump administration can break laws with impunity and the rest of us are held to an impossibly high standard. I reject this hypocrisy.
+1000
The effort to smear this guy is disgraceful
Literally a drug dealer who abandoned his family in Ireland.
Just give up, nobody need make any effort to “smear” him, he smeared himself.
If he’s all that, why did he bring himself to the attention of the media? Why did he ask the Irish government to intercede on his behalf with the Trump administration?
DP. For the record, The Guardian reported on the drug warrant.
I don’t care if he was Jeffrey Dahmer. His character and past is not the point. By being white and foreign, he is bringing attention to the way immigration authorities in the US treat visa overstayers (overstaying your visa, even by decades, is not a crime under current US law) and to the abhorrent conditions in US detention centers.
PP here. I agree with you 100% regarding the abhorrent and unlawful treatment of immigrants.
However, I think that’s only half of the story. To appeal to the majority of Americans, we also need to acknowledge that there’s no way that people like this should be in the US.
We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Recognize that a grotesquely broken immigration system requires an aggressive fix and also unequivocally reject Trump’s wanton cruelty.
That’s both the right thing to do and the winning political strategy here.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[twitter]Anonymous wrote:I am not going to read anything against this guy for several reasons.
1. When an action is wrong it is wrong, no matter who is the recipient. In the United States, it doesn't matter if someone committed a crime, you still can't violate his human rights. It doesn't matter if someone once upon a time broke the law, you still can't shoot him in the back. We are discussing the actions of this administration, not the moral character of its victims.
2. The Trump administration always villifies victims (see Renee Good, Alex Pretti and EVERYONE else they have shot) as well as everyone they have detained ("the worst of the worst"). This is the MO and it has gotten old, tired, and is full of holes.
3. The Trump administration are proven fabricators of stories. They are liars. I no longer believe ANYTHING this government says. It is too bad because there are likely some truths mixed in with the lies but I no longer believe one single thing. This is what happens when you lie and lie again: the erosion of trust. If your lips are moving, I assume you are lying.
4. The Trump administration can break laws with impunity and the rest of us are held to an impossibly high standard. I reject this hypocrisy.
+1000
The effort to smear this guy is disgraceful
Literally a drug dealer who abandoned his family in Ireland.
Just give up, nobody need make any effort to “smear” him, he smeared himself.
If he’s all that, why did he bring himself to the attention of the media? Why did he ask the Irish government to intercede on his behalf with the Trump administration?
DP. For the record, The Guardian reported on the drug warrant.
I don’t care if he was Jeffrey Dahmer. His character and past is not the point. By being white and foreign, he is bringing attention to the way immigration authorities in the US treat visa overstayers (overstaying your visa, even by decades, is not a crime under current US law) and to the abhorrent conditions in US detention centers.
Anonymous wrote:The guy is an accused drug dealer who is a liar. Why should anyone believe anything he says about the conditions where he is at? He complained about all the Latino people in his tent and other people who don’t speak English.
His wife posted a go fund me that collected $30,000 so he could go home to his wife and 2 children meaning his two Doberman pinchers. Someone related to the twins he abandoned in Ireland and who never received any support from him posted that he has 2 real human children. They were contacted by his wife or sister to take down the post because it would hurt his ICE case.
The twins says the foubd him in Facebook and contacted him at age 12 and again 15/16 and he still didn’t send child support.
He’s proven he will lie and manipulate situations to benefit himself. He now has zero supporters in Ireland. I don’t believe anything that comes out of his mouth. He is a stereotypical Trump supporter!
Anonymous wrote:The guy is an accused drug dealer who is a liar. Why should anyone believe anything he says about the conditions where he is at? He complained about all the Latino people in his tent and other people who don’t speak English.
His wife posted a go fund me that collected $30,000 so he could go home to his wife and 2 children meaning his two Doberman pinchers. Someone related to the twins he abandoned in Ireland and who never received any support from him posted that he has 2 real human children. They were contacted by his wife or sister to take down the post because it would hurt his ICE case.
The twins says the foubd him in Facebook and contacted him at age 12 and again 15/16 and he still didn’t send child support.
He’s proven he will lie and manipulate situations to benefit himself. He now has zero supporters in Ireland. I don’t believe anything that comes out of his mouth. He is a stereotypical Trump supporter!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why don’t they just put him on a plane back to Ireland? Is it because he has to first go through the courts, get his “day in court” per the due process clause?
I feel like these folks who get taken into custody by ICE should be able to just purchase a plane ticket and have ICE drop them off at the gate. Is that not permitted by our government?
This whole operation is just to funnel government money to Trump’s private prison pals. They have almost no one to process or deal with the court cases to get people deported.
Sounds an awful lot like 1930s Germany before they decided deportation was taking too long.
The administration is buying up warehouses across the country to convert into "holding centers" while also not investing in additional deportation judges.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why don’t they just put him on a plane back to Ireland? Is it because he has to first go through the courts, get his “day in court” per the due process clause?
I feel like these folks who get taken into custody by ICE should be able to just purchase a plane ticket and have ICE drop them off at the gate. Is that not permitted by our government?
This whole operation is just to funnel government money to Trump’s private prison pals. They have almost no one to process or deal with the court cases to get people deported.
Sounds an awful lot like 1930s Germany before they decided deportation was taking too long.
The administration is buying up warehouses across the country to convert into "holding centers" while also not investing in additional deportation judges.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[twitter]Anonymous wrote:I am not going to read anything against this guy for several reasons.
1. When an action is wrong it is wrong, no matter who is the recipient. In the United States, it doesn't matter if someone committed a crime, you still can't violate his human rights. It doesn't matter if someone once upon a time broke the law, you still can't shoot him in the back. We are discussing the actions of this administration, not the moral character of its victims.
2. The Trump administration always villifies victims (see Renee Good, Alex Pretti and EVERYONE else they have shot) as well as everyone they have detained ("the worst of the worst"). This is the MO and it has gotten old, tired, and is full of holes.
3. The Trump administration are proven fabricators of stories. They are liars. I no longer believe ANYTHING this government says. It is too bad because there are likely some truths mixed in with the lies but I no longer believe one single thing. This is what happens when you lie and lie again: the erosion of trust. If your lips are moving, I assume you are lying.
4. The Trump administration can break laws with impunity and the rest of us are held to an impossibly high standard. I reject this hypocrisy.
+1000
The effort to smear this guy is disgraceful
Literally a drug dealer who abandoned his family in Ireland.
Just give up, nobody need make any effort to “smear” him, he smeared himself.
If he’s all that, why did he bring himself to the attention of the media? Why did he ask the Irish government to intercede on his behalf with the Trump administration?
He is counting on rubes like you to take up his cause in order to prevent his deportation. Why do you think he is claiming to be tortured? To convince you that he is a victim.
You people are so damned gullible.
+1
He can probably throw up a gofundme and net enough donations from suckers to start up a new family somewhere else.