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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"Biden immigration is bad"

But who today is running campaigns on anything like "open borders?"

Nobody

Our problem is not our own stance on issues, it's false and dishonest GOP framing of our stance on issues.

For example, [b]I think we need secure borders, and I think we should deport violent criminals.[/b]

BUT I also think ICE has seriously abused its powers and is terrorizing American communities, and I think we need serious visa reforms so that we can legally import the labor we need, so that we can legally provide shelter to refugees who genuinely need it, and so on.

BOTH of those things are true.  But Republicans lie and reframe it.

It's a shitty dishonest rhetorical framing that keeps happening over and over like if you say "hey, it's pretty horrible that the IDF just blatantly shot a journalist in the head in Gaza" you instantly get accused of being pro-Hamas and an antisemite, when that's not actually a true or logical conclusion to jump to.  One can in fact be both anti-Hamas AND critical of Netanyahu.

There's zero conflict, zero hypocrisy, unless you have a completely stunted brain incapable of understanding anything other than a stark binary (in which case I feel sorry for you because the real world is anything but stark binaries).[/quote]

The bolded proves you are MAGA. [/quote]

So? They’re a MAGA. So what?

About 52% of voters in 2024 decided they were MAGAs, too. There were more MAGAs than Kamala supporters. I realize that must sound like a shock to you, but that’s the reality in the an tual real world outside of the far-left bubble you exist in.

But the thing that should really bother you, as a dem, is that Trump has been called a nazi since 2015 - so it’s been well established that he’s “a nazi” at this point. And that means that a majority of the electorate in this country clearly believes that [i]democrats[/i] are essentially [i]worse[/i] than nazis - because they voted for a nazi, rather than a democrat.

That is the takeaway that should really trigger some agonizing introspection on your part.

But we both know it won’t. [/quote]
52% of voters did not vote for Trump. He won less than 50% of the popular vote.[/quote]

And Kamala got far fewer votes than that.

You can quibble all you want about percentages and numbers, but there’s no changing the fact that more people decided it was better to elect a nazi than a democrat.

How do you reconcile that as a dem? [/quote]
And even more people decided they would stay home. Which makes sense because voters were never enthusiastic about Biden - they just wanted Trump out of office.[/quote]

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