Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:"Biden immigration is bad"

But who today is running campaigns on anything like "open borders?"

Nobody

Our problem is not our own stance on issues, it's false and dishonest GOP framing of our stance on issues.

For example, I think we need secure borders, and I think we should deport violent criminals.

BUT I also think ICE has seriously abused its powers and is terrorizing American communities, and I think we need serious visa reforms so that we can legally import the labor we need, so that we can legally provide shelter to refugees who genuinely need it, and so on.

BOTH of those things are true. But Republicans lie and reframe it.

It's a shitty dishonest rhetorical framing that keeps happening over and over like if you say "hey, it's pretty horrible that the IDF just blatantly shot a journalist in the head in Gaza" you instantly get accused of being pro-Hamas and an antisemite, when that's not actually a true or logical conclusion to jump to. One can in fact be both anti-Hamas AND critical of Netanyahu.

There's zero conflict, zero hypocrisy, unless you have a completely stunted brain incapable of understanding anything other than a stark binary (in which case I feel sorry for you because the real world is anything but stark binaries).

The bolded proves you are MAGA.

DP

So? They’re a MAGA. So what?

About 52% of voters in 2024 decided they were MAGAs, too. There were more MAGAs than Kamala supporters. I realize that must sound like a shock to you, but that’s the reality in the an tual real world outside of the far-left bubble you exist in.


But the thing that should really bother you, as a dem, is that Trump has been called a nazi since 2015 - so it’s been well established that he’s “a nazi” at this point. And that means that a majority of the electorate in this country clearly believes that democrats are essentially worse than nazis - because they voted for a nazi, rather than a democrat.

That is the takeaway that should really trigger some agonizing introspection on your part.


But we both know it won’t.

52% of voters did not vote for Trump. He won less than 50% of the popular vote.

And Kamala got far fewer votes than that.

You can quibble all you want about percentages and numbers, but there’s no changing the fact that more people decided it was better to elect a nazi than a democrat.

How do you reconcile that as a dem?

You reconcile it by understanding the 2020 & 2024 elections were determined by swing voters voting against historically unpopular sitting presidents. This will happen again in 2028.

Is Trump running in 2028?

The plan still seems to be vote for us because we are not Trump or the GOP, believe everything we tell you, and conform to ideology or else.

I wish our two major parties allowed for critical thinking. Instead, they want sycophants and shut down speech they don’t like.

Even if they have PLANS, they will never get around to implementing them. If they get the White House back, we can expect endless delays, committees, town halls, speeches, searches for root causes, czars…anything but quick, decisive action.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Biden immigration is bad"

But who today is running campaigns on anything like "open borders?"

Nobody

Our problem is not our own stance on issues, it's false and dishonest GOP framing of our stance on issues.

For example, I think we need secure borders, and I think we should deport violent criminals.

BUT I also think ICE has seriously abused its powers and is terrorizing American communities, and I think we need serious visa reforms so that we can legally import the labor we need, so that we can legally provide shelter to refugees who genuinely need it, and so on.

BOTH of those things are true. But Republicans lie and reframe it.

It's a shitty dishonest rhetorical framing that keeps happening over and over like if you say "hey, it's pretty horrible that the IDF just blatantly shot a journalist in the head in Gaza" you instantly get accused of being pro-Hamas and an antisemite, when that's not actually a true or logical conclusion to jump to. One can in fact be both anti-Hamas AND critical of Netanyahu.

There's zero conflict, zero hypocrisy, unless you have a completely stunted brain incapable of understanding anything other than a stark binary (in which case I feel sorry for you because the real world is anything but stark binaries).

The bolded proves you are MAGA.

DP

So? They’re a MAGA. So what?

About 52% of voters in 2024 decided they were MAGAs, too. There were more MAGAs than Kamala supporters. I realize that must sound like a shock to you, but that’s the reality in the an tual real world outside of the far-left bubble you exist in.


But the thing that should really bother you, as a dem, is that Trump has been called a nazi since 2015 - so it’s been well established that he’s “a nazi” at this point. And that means that a majority of the electorate in this country clearly believes that democrats are essentially worse than nazis - because they voted for a nazi, rather than a democrat.

That is the takeaway that should really trigger some agonizing introspection on your part.


But we both know it won’t.

52% of voters did not vote for Trump. He won less than 50% of the popular vote.

And Kamala got far fewer votes than that.

You can quibble all you want about percentages and numbers, but there’s no changing the fact that more people decided it was better to elect a nazi than a democrat.

How do you reconcile that as a dem?

You reconcile it by understanding the 2020 & 2024 elections were determined by swing voters voting against historically unpopular sitting presidents. This will happen again in 2028.

Anonymous wrote:All the DNC has to do is find an articulate white, male, heterosexual candidate with a pulse and that should do it. Then tell him not to embrace open borders, DEI and overly progressive agendas. Election won.

They’ll somehow still f it up…

umm -- so you think there should be one party that is slightly conservative, right of center and one that is full on fascist??? the democrats are the liberal party or the liberal Americans will move and they are the ones who pay the bills-- statistics show that this is fact, in fact if you examine even teh evil tech bros aside from perhaps 2 of them-- when they were actually creative and creating the companies that create dehire wealth.. they were ....liberal democrats. look- whites are at a little over 53% of the population ad 76% of welfare recipients. you better hope to god that the dems stay liberal or who will feed all those moronic white ppl???

expand immigration

import more future voters

allow congress to. keep trading with insider info. Nancy demands this.

All the DNC has to do is find an articulate white, male, heterosexual candidate with a pulse and that should do it. Then tell him not to embrace open borders, DEI and overly progressive agendas. Election won.

They’ll somehow still f it up…

DNC needs to stop elevating DSA candidates. They keep doing that and I'm out.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Biden immigration is bad"

But who today is running campaigns on anything like "open borders?"

Nobody

Our problem is not our own stance on issues, it's false and dishonest GOP framing of our stance on issues.

For example, I think we need secure borders, and I think we should deport violent criminals.

BUT I also think ICE has seriously abused its powers and is terrorizing American communities, and I think we need serious visa reforms so that we can legally import the labor we need, so that we can legally provide shelter to refugees who genuinely need it, and so on.

BOTH of those things are true. But Republicans lie and reframe it.

It's a shitty dishonest rhetorical framing that keeps happening over and over like if you say "hey, it's pretty horrible that the IDF just blatantly shot a journalist in the head in Gaza" you instantly get accused of being pro-Hamas and an antisemite, when that's not actually a true or logical conclusion to jump to. One can in fact be both anti-Hamas AND critical of Netanyahu.

There's zero conflict, zero hypocrisy, unless you have a completely stunted brain incapable of understanding anything other than a stark binary (in which case I feel sorry for you because the real world is anything but stark binaries).

The bolded proves you are MAGA.

DP

So? They’re a MAGA. So what?

About 52% of voters in 2024 decided they were MAGAs, too. There were more MAGAs than Kamala supporters. I realize that must sound like a shock to you, but that’s the reality in the an tual real world outside of the far-left bubble you exist in.


But the thing that should really bother you, as a dem, is that Trump has been called a nazi since 2015 - so it’s been well established that he’s “a nazi” at this point. And that means that a majority of the electorate in this country clearly believes that democrats are essentially worse than nazis - because they voted for a nazi, rather than a democrat.

That is the takeaway that should really trigger some agonizing introspection on your part.


But we both know it won’t.

52% of voters did not vote for Trump. He won less than 50% of the popular vote.

And Kamala got far fewer votes than that.

You can quibble all you want about percentages and numbers, but there’s no changing the fact that more people decided it was better to elect a nazi than a democrat.

How do you reconcile that as a dem?

And even more people decided they would stay home. Which makes sense because voters were never enthusiastic about Biden - they just wanted Trump out of office.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Biden immigration is bad"

But who today is running campaigns on anything like "open borders?"

Nobody

Our problem is not our own stance on issues, it's false and dishonest GOP framing of our stance on issues.

For example, I think we need secure borders, and I think we should deport violent criminals.

BUT I also think ICE has seriously abused its powers and is terrorizing American communities, and I think we need serious visa reforms so that we can legally import the labor we need, so that we can legally provide shelter to refugees who genuinely need it, and so on.

BOTH of those things are true. But Republicans lie and reframe it.

It's a shitty dishonest rhetorical framing that keeps happening over and over like if you say "hey, it's pretty horrible that the IDF just blatantly shot a journalist in the head in Gaza" you instantly get accused of being pro-Hamas and an antisemite, when that's not actually a true or logical conclusion to jump to. One can in fact be both anti-Hamas AND critical of Netanyahu.

There's zero conflict, zero hypocrisy, unless you have a completely stunted brain incapable of understanding anything other than a stark binary (in which case I feel sorry for you because the real world is anything but stark binaries).

The bolded proves you are MAGA.

DP

So? They’re a MAGA. So what?

About 52% of voters in 2024 decided they were MAGAs, too. There were more MAGAs than Kamala supporters. I realize that must sound like a shock to you, but that’s the reality in the an tual real world outside of the far-left bubble you exist in.


But the thing that should really bother you, as a dem, is that Trump has been called a nazi since 2015 - so it’s been well established that he’s “a nazi” at this point. And that means that a majority of the electorate in this country clearly believes that democrats are essentially worse than nazis - because they voted for a nazi, rather than a democrat.

That is the takeaway that should really trigger some agonizing introspection on your part.


But we both know it won’t.

52% of voters did not vote for Trump. He won less than 50% of the popular vote.

And Kamala got far fewer votes than that.

You can quibble all you want about percentages and numbers, but there’s no changing the fact that more people decided it was better to elect a nazi than a democrat.

How do you reconcile that as a dem?

Anonymous wrote:I donated a metric amount of dollars over years to campaigns of one of my former classmates who is now a (D) senator and I was so proud of them when they were elected.

For several years I've now been sincerely buying into the idea that they are just holding on to office knowing they can't change a thing just to keep that donation money flowing in.

Didn't realize I was just such a small fry until I got an invitation to attend their inauguration ceremony and took it seriously with the RSVP included and everything.

I RSVP'd and got all excited I'd finally see Washington DC and my daughter would get to meet a US senator, and then I got a call from an apologetic assistant that it was not actually a "real invitation" it was just a "courtesy" for donors like me. And that we were not actually expected to respond affirmatively.

And that no one would get "face time" with "the senator" but that they could hook me up with hotels where they would have live feeds of the swearing in ceremony.

That's when I got the first inkling that I was only as important as my (small - $2700) check.

That was your first inkling, lol. Were you previously under the impression that these people valued your personality?

Anonymous wrote:I think both of these patties need to be scrapped. I wish there would be a new party that people could get around.

Yep.

The only solution:

- ranked choice voting on all elections
- mandatory publicly financed campaigns

Focus on these two things first or else there is no hope.

I think both of these patties need to be scrapped. I wish there would be a new party that people could get around.

Anonymous wrote:I donated a metric amount of dollars over years to campaigns of one of my former classmates who is now a (D) senator and I was so proud of them when they were elected.

For several years I've now been sincerely buying into the idea that they are just holding on to office knowing they can't change a thing just to keep that donation money flowing in.

Didn't realize I was just such a small fry until I got an invitation to attend their inauguration ceremony and took it seriously with the RSVP included and everything.

I RSVP'd and got all excited I'd finally see Washington DC and my daughter would get to meet a US senator, and then I got a call from an apologetic assistant that it was not actually a "real invitation" it was just a "courtesy" for donors like me. And that we were not actually expected to respond affirmatively.

And that no one would get "face time" with "the senator" but that they could hook me up with hotels where they would have live feeds of the swearing in ceremony.

That's when I got the first inkling that I was only as important as my (small - $2700) check.

This is why we need serious campaign finance reform, and to undo Citizens United.
Until that happens, any hope of genuinely changing anything else in politics is completely impossible.

I think we need a political questionnaire army with THAT as the one and only litmus test issue - come up with a proposal to limit campaign contributions to limit it to INDIVIDUALS ONLY (whether donors or recipients) and that it be capped at something the everyday American could afford, like $50 per candidate per cycle with strict penalties (like felony and ban from any political activities) for even a penny spent on politics beyond that. And out of that questionnaire, publish the results on a website, and anyone who said no or refused to respond should be boycotted completely.

And then track it - if those who said they would agree to it don't sponsor, don't try to pass, don't vote for it, they get added to the boycott list. Make that the one and only issue until it succeeds. Only after that can we regain control of our politics and have a chance rather than having everything controlled by a handful of wealthy mega donors.

It would be a bitter pill to some but something that absolutely needs to happen.