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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The thing that really makes me laugh is that those who “travel” here all go to the same tired destinations and spend tons (miles or points or cash or whatever) to do it. We have been to all the big places, but now focus on really affordable out of the way places that are certainly more enjoyable and cheaper than even daily life in the USA. And they’re not filled with the mindless Instagram or DCUM UMC wannabe crowd. [/quote]

I was wondering when the condescending “I’ve already been to all these places so now they are passé” poster would show up!

So you enjoyed them but no one else should?[/quote]

PP here. Not necessarily. But there is a huge difference between what these places were like 30 years vs 10 years ago (not that much different) and 10 years ago vs now (completely different). I blame the social media. Either way, so many places are just no go now. [/quote]

Idk what to mean. I’ve been going to London since 1993. I’ve been there probably upwards of 20 times now for work and play. It was lovely then and it is lovely now. If you can’t find things to enjoy in London, the problem is not London. [/quote]

NP. Yes and no. There's been a lot of changes in the past 30 years. Demographic change in London is real, the British talk about it all the time, even in their papers. There's still the fun things to do but the personality of London today isn't what it was, so I don't feel drawn to London any more especially after I've already seen all the sights many times over. And mass tourism has also changed the travel experience. I used to walk into the major museums and often have them mostly to myself, but now you need queues and tickets and slotted times.

I still travel but the world has changed, tourism has changed, I'm getting older. I like the quieter out of way places now.[/quote]

Covid did this, not mass tourism. And if you cared to look beyond major museums, you can walk into the Leighton House or Bletchley Park today and have the place to yourself.

Without the demographic change to would not have ottolenghi or dishooom or the wonders of edgware road. Or the glamor of Mayfair! One gets tired of the fish and chips you know. [/quote]

I don't agree it was covid. London has changed dramatically in the past 25 years.  It has always been a very diverse city - I remember going to Brick Lane for a curry and Brixton for Jamaican vibes over 35 years ago. When Ottolenghi opened over 20 years ago, the foreign born population was about 21%.  It is now 41%.  There are fewer young Europeans living and working there due to the loss of freedom of movement resulting from Brexit so the ethnic make up feels different and it feels more 'international' and less European.  Tourism to the UK has also increased dramatically from about 25 million visitors in 2000 to 43 million in 2024.  Obviously all of these changes have impacted the feel of the city and the size of crowds.[/quote]

Just to clarify - you regret that there are too many immigrants but not enough European immigrants? Too many dishooms, not enough chez francoises?[/quote]

Did I say I regretted it? I just said that London has obviously changed in character and crowdedness in the last 20 years.  And I would choose a good curry over French food every time.[/quote]

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