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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]And why do you think recruitment is down??[/quote]

Millions of entitled NYC liberals with YouTube University law degrees that turn even the simplest interaction into a Supreme Court case?[/quote]

Recruiting is significantly down in every city.  Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops.  Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.
2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am
3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)
4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)
5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there 
6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests 
I think those are roughly in order of importance but the pit thing maybe should be higher on the list.[/quote]

Now pour gas on that fire with an anti-cop mayor that’s on the record saying police are corrupt, racist homophobes.

Mamdani will need to nail some NYPD pelts to his office wall to appease the Democratic Socialist Party.[/quote]

Please. You think cops haven’t heard criticism before? Mamdani’s election will not move the needle, and anyone saying that is peddling in fake news [/quote]

I’m a progressive that also knows a fair number of cops.  I think it will move the needle on the margins.  Unfortunately, I think it’s often the good cops who leave because they are the ones that care what people think about them and didn’t join the force to feel like an a-hole.  The bad cops actually relish this stuff because they joined not to serve their community but because they wanted a badge and a gun and they enjoy playing the axxhole.  I think the only real answer is culture shift within the department where the good cops feel empowered to speak out about the bad ones.  In my experience, the good cops HATE working with the bad ones — both because they are jerks but also because they know that those are the guys most likely to create a situation where they end up on trial.  But with staffing and recruiting so low, it’s increasingly hard to weed out the bad apples.  I’ve had a number of cops tell me that the new recruits coming in are much worse than they were 15-20 years ago but they can’t bounce them all in training — they’d end up with no one.  
It’s also my experience that the good cops are nervous when they feel they don’t have administration support because they are all worried about a DA wanting to make a name for themselves going after cops.  If you recall the Baltimore indictments relating to the guy who died after he wasn’t belted into the van—some cops told me that it’s common not to belt arrested people who are belligerent because if you lean over them to belt them in, they are likely to either headbutt you or bite you in the face or neck.  They really are in a tough position dealing with some of the very violent and crazy or strung out people.   I have heard from some cops that they’ve been pleasantly surprised by some of the civilian review boards because once actual citizens hear the facts, they are often sympathetic — unlike some DAs that are just looking to make a name.  
Anyway I think this stuff is all tremendously complicated and the polarization and demonization of both sides really doesn’t serve the interests of the community.  [/quote]

Cops are not leaving because the work is hard. There’s less crime in Ny now than 30 years ago. They’re leaving because they’re barely making any more then a cab driver or UPS driver [/quote]

They can lateral to surrounding departments and immediately make more money while also shedding the specter of Democratic Socialism.[/quote]

Sure, some can. But there aren’t the same number of jobs in those areas, and you might guess that many NYPD love NYC and have family and ties here. They’d prefer to be in NYC but the robber barons who control politics make it hard on everyone, screaming about a limited rent freeze and affordable housing as they live like absolute kings. You have no idea of the money in NYC among these people. Why do you think these super rich people care so much about these issues? Do you think they won’t be able to live or pay their housing costs if there is a 2% tax increase? Or if there is one single subsidized grocery store per borough (among millions of people)? Steven Cohen, hedge fund billionaire and owner of the Mets, ran the harshest attack ads against Mamdani with vile racist insults and accusing Mamdani of trying to wreck Public schools? Do you think Cohen’s children ever stepped foot in a NYC public school?

Cops don’t hate Mamdani like the people on this chain say they do. As someone pointed out above, many are roughly his age and many are POC. [/quote]

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