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Anonymous wrote:How much will Mamdani pay the members of the Department of Community Safety that spend 8+ hours a day underground, breathing subway air, babysitting mental health patients? How about the staff that responds to mental health episodes without NYPD backup? "We have to pay people what they're worth," he said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/zohran-mamdani-new-york-city-department-of-community-safety/

So you do not think people who are trying to prevent crime should not be compensated accordingly?

Incorrect. I’m wondering what this will cost and where the money will come from. Is this a 24/7/365 operation? How many people need to work each shift? What is the total benefit cost per employee? These jobs aren’t attractive, so they can’t be low paying jobs. They may also prove to be dangerous.

Most people having an episode are smart enough to know they dont want cops to arrive so you would be surprised how responsive they are to a social worker or neutral party listening and talking to them.

You’re missing the point. I don’t want cops on mental health calls. I’m looking for the math. How many people and what is their total benefits package. After the cost is known I’d like to know the funding source.

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Anonymous wrote:How much will Mamdani pay the members of the Department of Community Safety that spend 8+ hours a day underground, breathing subway air, babysitting mental health patients? How about the staff that responds to mental health episodes without NYPD backup? "We have to pay people what they're worth," he said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/zohran-mamdani-new-york-city-department-of-community-safety/

So you do not think people who are trying to prevent crime should not be compensated accordingly?

Incorrect. I’m wondering what this will cost and where the money will come from. Is this a 24/7/365 operation? How many people need to work each shift? What is the total benefit cost per employee? These jobs aren’t attractive, so they can’t be low paying jobs. They may also prove to be dangerous.

Most people having an episode are smart enough to know they dont want cops to arrive so you would be surprised how responsive they are to a social worker or neutral party listening and talking to them.

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Anonymous wrote:How much will Mamdani pay the members of the Department of Community Safety that spend 8+ hours a day underground, breathing subway air, babysitting mental health patients? How about the staff that responds to mental health episodes without NYPD backup? "We have to pay people what they're worth," he said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/zohran-mamdani-new-york-city-department-of-community-safety/

So you do not think people who are trying to prevent crime should not be compensated accordingly?

Incorrect. I’m wondering what this will cost and where the money will come from. Is this a 24/7/365 operation? How many people need to work each shift? What is the total benefit cost per employee? These jobs aren’t attractive, so they can’t be low paying jobs. They may also prove to be dangerous.

Anonymous wrote:Cops don’t hate Mamdani like the people on this chain say they do. As someone pointed out above, many are roughly his age and many are POC.

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Anonymous wrote:How much will Mamdani pay the members of the Department of Community Safety that spend 8+ hours a day underground, breathing subway air, babysitting mental health patients? How about the staff that responds to mental health episodes without NYPD backup? "We have to pay people what they're worth," he said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/zohran-mamdani-new-york-city-department-of-community-safety/

So you do not think people who are trying to prevent crime should not be compensated accordingly?

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Anonymous wrote:Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.

Disrespect for police is largely party specific. Many people think they know the law better than the officer they brought into their life. They don’t. They complain. They threaten to sue.

Black people have much weightier issues to contend with than a relative becoming a police officer. I think a majority of Black people would prefer more Black officers.

Anonymous wrote:2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am

Well done parents, you’ve raised real winners. Soft, soft, soft.

Anonymous wrote:3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)

Line of duty deaths are down 44% vs. last year. Tragically one NYPD officer lost his life this year.

https://www.odmp.org/

Anonymous wrote:4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)

This is a clear and present danger to officers, especially in liberal jurisdictions quick to persecute officers, like NYC with an anti-cop mayor.

Anonymous wrote: 5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there

I’m in my late forties. I’m operating under the assumption there will be no Social Security for me. A pension would be glorious. If parents aren’t educating their young adults about the value of all retirement vehicles they’re doing them a disservice.

Anonymous wrote:6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests

Departments have already lowered the threshold for past marijuana use. If your young adult can’t pass a background check, or drug test, you have failed as a parent.

Mayors don’t decide to prosecute. DAs do. If you know NYC at all you might also know that one of the most recent well known cop abuse cases was NOT prosecuted under a liberal mayor. Eric garner - de blasio.

So your theory is nonsense

That was pre-George Floyd, BLM and #DefundThePolice. Bill de Blasio was certainly anti-cop, but not Mamdani racist, homophobia, corrupt anti-cop. We’ll see how Mamdani handles the first police involved tragedy.

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Anonymous wrote:How much will Mamdani pay the members of the Department of Community Safety that spend 8+ hours a day underground, breathing subway air, babysitting mental health patients? How about the staff that responds to mental health episodes without NYPD backup? "We have to pay people what they're worth," he said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/zohran-mamdani-new-york-city-department-of-community-safety/

So you do not think people who are trying to prevent crime should not be compensated accordingly?

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Anonymous wrote:And why do you think recruitment is down??

Millions of entitled NYC liberals with YouTube University law degrees that turn even the simplest interaction into a Supreme Court case?

Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.
2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am
3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)
4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)
5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there
6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests
I think those are roughly in order of importance but the pit thing maybe should be higher on the list.

Now pour gas on that fire with an anti-cop mayor that’s on the record saying police are corrupt, racist homophobes.

Mamdani will need to nail some NYPD pelts to his office wall to appease the Democratic Socialist Party.

Please. You think cops haven’t heard criticism before? Mamdani’s election will not move the needle, and anyone saying that is peddling in fake news

I’m a progressive that also knows a fair number of cops. I think it will move the needle on the margins. Unfortunately, I think it’s often the good cops who leave because they are the ones that care what people think about them and didn’t join the force to feel like an a-hole. The bad cops actually relish this stuff because they joined not to serve their community but because they wanted a badge and a gun and they enjoy playing the axxhole. I think the only real answer is culture shift within the department where the good cops feel empowered to speak out about the bad ones. In my experience, the good cops HATE working with the bad ones — both because they are jerks but also because they know that those are the guys most likely to create a situation where they end up on trial. But with staffing and recruiting so low, it’s increasingly hard to weed out the bad apples. I’ve had a number of cops tell me that the new recruits coming in are much worse than they were 15-20 years ago but they can’t bounce them all in training — they’d end up with no one.
It’s also my experience that the good cops are nervous when they feel they don’t have administration support because they are all worried about a DA wanting to make a name for themselves going after cops. If you recall the Baltimore indictments relating to the guy who died after he wasn’t belted into the van—some cops told me that it’s common not to belt arrested people who are belligerent because if you lean over them to belt them in, they are likely to either headbutt you or bite you in the face or neck. They really are in a tough position dealing with some of the very violent and crazy or strung out people. I have heard from some cops that they’ve been pleasantly surprised by some of the civilian review boards because once actual citizens hear the facts, they are often sympathetic — unlike some DAs that are just looking to make a name.
Anyway I think this stuff is all tremendously complicated and the polarization and demonization of both sides really doesn’t serve the interests of the community.

Cops are not leaving because the work is hard. There’s less crime in Ny now than 30 years ago. They’re leaving because they’re barely making any more then a cab driver or UPS driver

They can lateral to surrounding departments and immediately make more money while also shedding the specter of Democratic Socialism.

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Anonymous wrote:Or he could checkmate a governor that doesn't want to be a lame duck.

You completely overestimate his power.

I don’t think OP is overestimating. Trump has even calmed down on Mamdani rhetoric for now even dropping a compliment toward him in private apparently. I don’t sss the relationship between Mamdani and Hochul getting as bad as the famed relationship between Gov Cuomo and Mayor De Blasio. They both despised each other

Anonymous wrote:How much will Mamdani pay the members of the Department of Community Safety that spend 8+ hours a day underground, breathing subway air, babysitting mental health patients? How about the staff that responds to mental health episodes without NYPD backup? "We have to pay people what they're worth," he said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/zohran-mamdani-new-york-city-department-of-community-safety/

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Anonymous wrote:Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.

Disrespect for police is largely party specific. Many people think they know the law better than the officer they brought into their life. They don’t. They complain. They threaten to sue.

Black people have much weightier issues to contend with than a relative becoming a police officer. I think a majority of Black people would prefer more Black officers.

Anonymous wrote:2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am

Well done parents, you’ve raised real winners. Soft, soft, soft.

Anonymous wrote:3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)

Line of duty deaths are down 44% vs. last year. Tragically one NYPD officer lost his life this year.

https://www.odmp.org/

Anonymous wrote:4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)

This is a clear and present danger to officers, especially in liberal jurisdictions quick to persecute officers, like NYC with an anti-cop mayor.

Anonymous wrote: 5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there

I’m in my late forties. I’m operating under the assumption there will be no Social Security for me. A pension would be glorious. If parents aren’t educating their young adults about the value of all retirement vehicles they’re doing them a disservice.

Anonymous wrote:6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests

Departments have already lowered the threshold for past marijuana use. If your young adult can’t pass a background check, or drug test, you have failed as a parent.

Many people can’t afford to start a 401k even if they know they need one. their take home pay is barely enough to pay for rent , food, and credit card bills/debt. They have to choose between health insurance or a 401k.


The entire system is awful and that’s why Mamdani won.

What can Mamdani possibly do to make a difference here? The system dwarfs Mamdani. When he can’t deliver “tax the rich,” socialized grocery stores and other conceptual reaches he’ll need to take funds away from the NYPD to appease his delusional constituents.

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Anonymous wrote:Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.

Disrespect for police is largely party specific. Many people think they know the law better than the officer they brought into their life. They don’t. They complain. They threaten to sue.

Black people have much weightier issues to contend with than a relative becoming a police officer. I think a majority of Black people would prefer more Black officers.

Anonymous wrote:2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am

Well done parents, you’ve raised real winners. Soft, soft, soft.

Anonymous wrote:3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)

Line of duty deaths are down 44% vs. last year. Tragically one NYPD officer lost his life this year.

https://www.odmp.org/

Anonymous wrote:4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)

This is a clear and present danger to officers, especially in liberal jurisdictions quick to persecute officers, like NYC with an anti-cop mayor.

Anonymous wrote: 5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there

I’m in my late forties. I’m operating under the assumption there will be no Social Security for me. A pension would be glorious. If parents aren’t educating their young adults about the value of all retirement vehicles they’re doing them a disservice.

Anonymous wrote:6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests

Departments have already lowered the threshold for past marijuana use. If your young adult can’t pass a background check, or drug test, you have failed as a parent.

Mayors don’t decide to prosecute. DAs do. If you know NYC at all you might also know that one of the most recent well known cop abuse cases was NOT prosecuted under a liberal mayor. Eric garner - de blasio.

So your theory is nonsense

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Anonymous wrote:But as far as your question goes, politicians say a lot of things to get elected.

Mamdani pivoted away from defund the police, racists, homophobes, IDF boot on the neck to an “apology” in 2025 to get elected. Why should the NYPD and their union trust him now?

Few people give a shit who cops and cop unions trust.

Until they have an emergency and call 911.

Or kids are getting killed or maimed in their neighborhood.

He already said that he’s going to do something about ICE, so hopefully they will be gone soon enough.

What's the mayor going to do? He should read up on the supremacy clause .

If Mamdani orders NYP to arrest ICE agents, they will decline.

If a NYPD officer tries to arrest an ICE agent on duty, they will be arrested by the Federal Marshalls or FBI. Mamdani may also be arrested as he has Zero authority over federal agents. ZERO….

ICE agents don’t have immunity if they engage in criminal acts that violate state law. Neither do federal marshalls or FBI agents. What in the world gave you such a notion?

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Anonymous wrote:Or he could checkmate a governor that doesn't want to be a lame duck.

You completely overestimate his power.