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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I can see people are upset because they have an investment, whether emotional, financial, or ideological, with the current modus operandi at most elite colleges so they are bitterly resistant to the changing realities surrounding elite higher education these days despite that Silver cites data showing significant shift in public perspectives on higher education and elite higher education.

This is what people thought of a freshly minted Harvard graduate in 1994: highly accomplished and brainy nerd.

This is what many people now think when they encounter a freshly minted Harvard graduate in 2024: Either a legacy admit from an extremely connected and / or wealthy family (nepotism) or a mollycoddled diversity admit benefiting from a system that rewards identity over merit. And both will bring the same increasingly annoying social justice warrior outlook largely divorced from reality.

Silver is not a right wing MAGAtard, he is a Democrat and sold his polling business to the NYT. But like a lot of very intelligent nerds, Silver doesn't shy away from frankness.

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You are an idiot. [b]The minority students at Harvard etc have near perfect test scores and/or grades.[/b] The average student now is miles ahead of the 1994 student in terms of academic indicators. Same with the wealthy kids; at the top schools everyone has the scores that's why they add other factors to select.[/quote]
what no?

[img]https://america.cgtn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/HARVARD_CRIMSON.SAT_RACE1.chart_.jpg[/img][/quote]

We're supposed to pretend that doesn't exist [/quote]

All the scores are above the 700 mark which represents the 95-97%.  So this graph artificially makes the distinction look large.  If you put the scores in terms of percentiles the lines would be tightly held together.  What people argue is that once you're at the level of 95% other factors rather than maximizing a test score matter more. [/quote]

+1 this is a difference in access to tutoring[/quote]
talk about stereotyping. How do you know they got tutoring?  Mine didn't.  Only took it once, and got a 1580.

[b]A 700 mark is not "near perfect scores".[/b]  [/quote]

I think it is -- top 5% on any given marker seems high enough to meet the threshold of "near perfect" no matter how much people want to quibble about distinctions above that percentile.
I just don't think there's a meaningful difference in what matters to being successful in college or life thereafter between someone who gets a 1400 vs a 1500 vs a 1600 and I haven't seen sufficient evidence to the contrary.  [/quote]

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