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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]All the major religions are misogynistic, which is how we know they are creations of men and not creations of something divine.

That is why I’m an atheist in terms of all known gods on offer. [/quote]

Jesus brought women into the sphere of faith and even leadership. He told Martha, who was busy in the kitchen cooking for her guests, to join her sister Martha to learn from Jesus' teaching. He pardoned a prostitute. Women were the first to see the empty tomb after the cruxifiction, and the first to spread the news to the men. Of course, what the patriarchy did with all this after a few centuries later is another story.[/quote]

You're so funny to cherry pick the few stories if women from the Bible.  Didnyou read the rest of it?

....by men for men....[/quote]

"In pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." Exodus 20:17

"If there is a young woman, a virgin already engaged to be married, and a man meets her in the town and lies with her, you shall...stone them to death, the young woman because she did not cry for help...and the man because he violated his neighbor's wife." [If the woman is not engaged] "the man who lay with her shall give 50 shekels of silver to the young woman's father, and she shall become his wife." Ephesians 5:22-23

"Wives, be subject to your husbands as you are to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church." 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

Paul on women's conduct in church: "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak... And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home." 1 Timothy 2:13-15

“And everything on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean. Everything also on which she sits shall be unclean.” — Leviticus 15:20

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.” — Timothy 2:12

Feminist masterpiece.[/quote]

Your quotes from Timothy, Ephesians and Corinthians are from Paul’s letters. Not from Jesus. Many of us Protestants regard Paul’s letters as pastoral letters to growing churches, and as such they reflect the mores of Paul’s time. They don’t reflect God’s words for all time, which we see in the gospels. [/quote]

I respect and admire your decision to ignore immoral parts of the book.  This world would be a lot better place if all believers did so.[/quote]

This isn’t an outlier view. It’s well established that Paul was writing pastoral letters to far-flung early churches.  [/quote]

There are more quotes listed than Paul.

The  comment stands.
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Yes, quotes from the Old Testament, Exodus and Leviticus. Not from Jesus. [/quote]
Jew here, just stopping by to point out that we aren't textual literalists. We have our own tradition of interpretation that puts the quotes above in a different frame within our theology. Not accusing anyone of saying differently, but don't want this to go that route.[/quote]

Christian here. I think we agree then that you can’t simply take quotes out of context from anywhere in the Bible and assume you understand things. [/quote]
Yes, there are centuries of religious interpretation and scholarship involved in modern religious practice (Jewish, Christian, others). Criticisms of religion based on text alone betray a misunderstanding of theology and practice.[/quote]

DP. I don’t disagree. And if you (or anyone else) wants to live their lives according to these interpretation of an ancient text, that is totally fine and admirable even. The problem of course comes along when you expect others to live according to these precepts and it starts affecting the public square.  I do not want nativity scenes at the town hall, or the 10 commandments, or catholic Supreme Court justices telling me I can’t have an abortion, or religious people referring to cherry picked Bible verses to push against gay rights.  People make the literal words of the Bible my problem when some of their number insist on their interpretation in the public square.  [/quote]
Jewish PP. Agreed! 100% keep your religion out of other people's lives![/quote]

Christian pp. Also agree! Keep your religion out of other peoples' lives. [/quote]

+1 million.    The other problem lies in the fact that there are many fundamentalists with some dangerous and harmful thought processes that infiltrate every area of their lives, and affects people around them even in subtle ways.    The mindset of being favored by a god, by feeling morally superior, etc, is something that affects people even when they don't realize it does.   [/quote]

Not sure they feel favored by God, etc. The problem is their beliefs, namely that they take the Bible very literally and obsess about certain passages at the expense of others.[/quote]

Of course they feel "favored".  There are many bible literalists that pray about everything, and truly believe that god is blessing them when things go the way they wanted, or anything good happens in their life.  They believe their god actually DID THAT for them.   What does that say about their attitude towards those less fortunate, or children with cancer then?   You can't convince me that is a good mindset to go through life with, nor is it beneficial to society in general.
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