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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So, just to review, MCPD is conducting less than half of the traffic stops they did pre-pandemic, because they are afraid of "losing their livelihoods", but nobody can point to an actual MCPD officer that was fired because of misconduct.

On the other hand, Mink and Jawando are "risking people's lives" because they want to limit enforcement of low-level offenses. GMAFB.[/quote]

What a remarkably oversimplified look at what is happening.

Somebody upthread said that this bill throws middle school thinking at a PhD problem, which sums up the situation quite nicely. [/quote]

I mean you are suggesting that limiting traffic stops will kill people. MCPD has significantly curtailed traffic enforcement , much more so than this law would do, so presumably people are already being killed.[/quote]

More people are being killed, but that's true overall in the US, not just in Montgomery County, and it doesn't seem to be because of a decline in police traffic stops.[/quote]

Okay, so why are you so concerned about limiting traffic stops, per the proposed law, if it they don't increase safety?[/quote]

I'm the PP who posted about more people being killed. I'm not the PP who has it in for Mink and Jawando because they haven't going through the Citizens Academy.[/quote]

Oh I see.

It's generally fascinating to me that if Mink and Jawando propose limiting traffic stops, it is a horrific threat to traffic safety, but if MCPD reduces traffic enforcement by two thirds, the impact on safety of that is barely discussed and if it's mentioned it simply becomes a talking point for how horrible for police officers it is when Jawando and Mink post tweets about policing. It is just an absurd discussion.[/quote]

I posted above about oversimplifying this entire problem. There are ways to address this without jumping the shark with this severely shortsighted bill. Perhaps Mink and Jawando could try working with the police? Perhaps through some ride-alongs, meetings with officers, analysis of data, honest discussions involving the very people this bill impacts? Perhaps the community could have some say, the very community asking for more enforcement? Perhaps reform could look like collaboration and not whatever absurdity this is.

And it isn’t absurd to mention the tweets. They are unprofessional and contribute (cause?) the poor relationship between the council and MCPD. [/quote]

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