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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For those white people who insist there appears to be no racial motivation, are you so naive as to believe that racists would ever admit to killing a black man because he was black? Or that a white woman would ever admit to being racist even though she made up a story about a threatening black man and called the police?
OK, so you also take the KKK at their word when they claim that they are not "white supremacists"? Yes, continue to believe the criminal over the victims' dead bodies. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kkk-insists-theyre-not-white-supremacists/[/quote]

Surely, you've heard of Dylann Roof? He said he identifies as a white supremacist and admitted killing the black churchgoers in order to start a race war.

Btw, plenty of Asians don't see the Atlanta shooting as racially motivated. My Asian dh is one of them, and in discussing with his family, they are of the same mindset. They don't see it as the guy hunting down random Asians for their Asian-ness, but punishing the women at the spa where he was having his addiction fueled.  [/quote]

Do you need a list of Karens? Why are you, a white woman, so invested in believing the words of a mass murderer over the facts?

BTW, not all Asian Americans are aware of Asian American history or have studied the history of the sexualization of Asian women. Maybe if he were better educated about his own history, he would have a better sense of the context in which this incident happened.[/quote]

A list of Karens? What does that even mean? A list of you and your friends? What is your racial background that makes you an authority on how a white person, or an Asian person for that matter, perceives an event? [/quote]
I am an Asian American woman with a PhD in history. FYI.[/quote]
DP.  That still doesn't make you any kind of authority on what people you've never met perceive, or would perceive it if they studied more history.  
You seem REALLY invested in making assumptions about other people and demanding that they see everything your way.  Do we get to question your motives or do only PhDs in history get to do that?  [/quote]
Do you mistrust expertise? Do you think it's better to put facts in historical context or do you prefer to go on not having examined the complex and painful histories of the peoples around you?
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An expert wouldn't talk like the PhD person.  An expert wouldn't insist their opinion was fact.  Might they speculate about a likelihood?  Sure.  But they would be honest about it being a speculation based on historical context and available facts.  The only fact that ties this to race is the identify of two-thirds of the victims (including the one who survived). But because this happened in places that provide massage and sexual services, it's equally tied to that.  These two things are connected because of traffickers and business owners who run many of these businesses being Asian or hiring or trafficking Asian women (I don't know the numbers but enough that it's a known thing these businesses exist).  If you don't like that some of these businesses are operated and staffed by Asian people, or feel women are being exploited, you are free to work to shut them down and fight trafficking.  An investigation should work to factor these variables out to determine if this was a hate crime.  Thus far there hasn't been anything obvious indicating the perpetrator hates Asian people. There is some evidence he was angry about sex services. Maybe something related to race will be found still.  Most of the skeptics here seem to agree that it's entirely possibly this will end up being a hate crime, but there isn't evidence so far.  Others are insisting it's a hate crime no matter what.  I'm not sure what the motivation is.

It's a horrific tragedy and speaks to the need for gun control above all.  If this guy had had a 3 day waiting period maybe none of this would have happened.[/quote]

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