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I'm the very first PP you're responding to. I didn't write either of the other two posts in this thread. Taking a cell phone into a secure location isn't pronouncing innocence or guilt on hysteria. It's a fact/event. It happened or it didn't happen.

The most damaging thing Trump has done is completely eliminate a lot of American's abilities to determine fact and fiction. Or fact and opinion. This incident is not like, 'oh we all see it a different way' type thing. Secure rooms are set up for a reason to protect national security and compromising them is a big deal. One that, as another pp has pointed out multiple times, would get a regular employee fired without much question.

As for your other point. I used to be like you. 2020 is the most important thing, eyes on the prize. But Trump has to be impeached for posterity. We cannot have allowed a president to do what he has done without consequence, allowing it will erode norms for generations. It is the duty of congress to investigate presidential malfeasance and to remove from office or censure a president who violates his duties of office. I believe that it would politically smarter to not pursue this, but it would be like letting one person get away with murder because its too hard or awkward to prosecute. It would be wrong. My libertarian used to be a Republican husband thinks this even more than I do FWIW. [/quote]

Again, you make some fair points: I don't question that phones were taken to a secure location. But was national security jeopardized in a definitive manner?

Since you are talking about the longer terms ramifications let me tell you what I concerned about: will the impeachment play out to Trump's advantage in 2020? If so, then going through an impeachment that will contribute to his reelection is foolhardy. Pelosi saw that risk and did not want to take that chance. I think she got railroaded into going with it.

As far as fact/fiction, Trump has contributed to it but so have others and especially the media. I don't believe hardly anything that is published and opinion columns by either side are almost worthless. This reliance on anonymous sources is ridiculous and has contributed to the distrust.

People ask why the base has given Trump a pass repeatedly: it is not because they are dumb or uneducated or any of that nonsense. It is because for years before Trump the bias in the media was so pronounced against conservatives that it was viewed as the norm. This was so drummed into them by talk radio - with some legitimacy - that they just don't trust hardly anything the media says. I am not a conservative but I don't watch CNN or MSNBC or Fox because those sources are just outright biased.

I have friend who is a former colonel in the army - and he is a Trump supporter. He does not believe most of what  the media says. The only difference is that he does watch Fox. FWIW, he views me as a misguided but reasonable liberal! :D

My fear with impeaching Trump without any chance of his removal is that when we have a Democratic president and a Republican controlled House, we will likely see the same thing happen and the Republicans will argue that it is something that needs to be done as a matter of principle, etc.

Fundamentally, elections should not be overturned by impeachment except in rare instances and where there is a likely possibility of removal. Clinton was impeached - it is there for posterity - but most people don't even remember it. Memories are short  and that has nothing to do with whether one is a Democrat or Republican.

Focus on what needs to be done to win the next election ...... not futile exercises that have no chance of success. [/quote]

Bringing ANY electronic devices into a SCIF is a violation of Federal law. Are you saying those who violated the law should not face prosecution?[/quote]

Can they scan the room to see if any electronic devices were left behind? Is Putin listening now? 
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