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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Bottom line:  UVA and W&M affirmatively do not want NOVA applicants or students.  They want NOVA tax revenue, but those of us that live here are poison and are to be avoided.  A GPA barely above a B+ from a school in seven central Virginia counties, together with standardized test scores in roughly the 75+ percentile, is enough for UVA, from that locality.  The NOVA requirements are dramatically higher.  UVA and W&M demand, receive, hold, and expend public funds.  But they do NOT equally accommodate VA resident applicants by any measure.  
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Completely and verifiably UNTRUE.  UVA's class of 2020 has 1130 students from Northern Virginia out of a class of 3720 (source: http://admission.virginia.edu/uva-admission-quotas-northern-virginia).  [b]UVA accepted 224 kids from my D's Northern VA HS last year (TJ).  [/b]

Read this blog from UVA admissions for more info on how UVA selects its student body:  http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/[/quote]

Uh, please.  Even if true, it is TJ STUDENTS!  They were self-selected into four years ago!  You CANNOT compare TJ results to any other public school in NOVA, even FCPS! [b] Langley and McLean send only a dozen or so out of classes of 500![/b]  This is what NOVA parents are upset about (if you at a TJ parent, then this is not your world).  Only 663 students from Fairfax Country for class of 2020. Just in FCPS there are 33 high schools.  And UVA has to also account for VA residents who are at private day schools in MD and D.C. as well as elite boarding schools.  Sure, if you are at TJ you have a reasonable shot of getting in - put you've already won the sweepstakes four years ago.  If my B+ student at McLean High School wants to apply, forget it. Not going to happen[/quote]

Once again, enrollment is not acceptance, nor for that matter is it application. It is meaningless to know that "only a dozen" McLean grads go to UVA (if that is even true). What is relevant here is how many applied and how many were accepted.

Further, even if it is true that a large share of acceptances from FFX are TJ students, I'm not sure why that matters. If TJ didn't exist, those students would presumably be spread about the remaining FFX high schools, applying from those high schools, and gaining admission. (And if you are the one arguing that FFX deserves "more" because it pays more taxes, I'll note that parents who send their kids to TJ or to private schools pay taxes just like every other FFX resident does.)

But luckily, this information is available on-line, so we needn't speculate. In fact, according to the VA Council on Higher Education, though it is true that "only" 692 students from FFX enrolled at UVA for the 2015-2016 school year, 1,129 FFX residents were **accepted** for that year, out of 2,696 applicants. So 41.9% of applicants from FFX were admitted.

But you are concerned about TJ and private schools, so let's look at Arlington, since there appear to be more complete data on APS on-line (via Arlington Magazine) than for other counties.

From the Virginia Council of Higher education, the data on UVA students from Arlington County:

http://research.schev.edu/enrollment/b8_admissions_locality.asp

2015-2016--335 applied, 152 accepted (45.4%), 76 enrolled (yield= 50%)
2014-2015--320/124 (38.7%), 74 enrolled (59.7%)
2013-2014--296/136 (45.9%), 64 enrolled (47.1%)
2012-2013--298/122 (40.9%), 64 enrolled (52.5%)
2011-2012--255/117 (45.9%), 63 enrolled (53.8%)

(Note that these numbers do not suggest a pattern of declining admission rates from Arlington County.)

Of course, as you pointed out, a couple of these kids might have gone to TJ (although not that many from Arlington), and certainly some are in private school, and some may be homeschooled. So let's use the information that APS reports to Arlington Magazine to see what's going on with the Arlington public school students.

http://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/top-15-where-arlington-grads-were-accepted-to-college/9/

In 2015, 297 students from HB Woodlawn, Wakefield, Washington-Lee, and Yorktown high schools applied to UVA. So 88.6% of the 335 applications to UVA in 2015 were from students who graduated from APS. Of those 297 students, 117 were accepted, for an acceptance rate of [b]39.4%[/b]. (Mathematically, that means that the acceptance rate for the 11% of Arlington County applicants to UVA that did not go to APS--the TJ and private school and homeschool grads--was 92%.)

Let's look at W&M. The data from the Virginia Council of Higher Education:

2015-2016--276 applied, 144 accepted (52.2%), 58 enrolled (yield = 40.3%)
2014-2015--231/103 (44.6%), 45 enrolled (43.7%)
2013-2014--235/122 (51.9%), 47 enrolled (38.5%)
2012-2013--218/103 (47.2%), 40 enrolled (38.8%)
2011-2012--209/107 (51.2%), 44 enrolled (41.1%)

As with UVA, there is no apparent pattern of declining admission rates from Arlington County.

Now let's see what the data are for the Arlington County students who actually went to APS. In 2015, 242 students from the 4 APS high schools applied to W&M; so 87.6% of Arlington applicants to W&M were APS students. Of those 242 students, 117 were accepted (same number as were accepted by UVA that year), for an acceptance rate of [b]48.3%[/b]. Let's let that sink in: [b]ALMOST ONE HALF[/b] of the students graduating from Arlington Public Schools who applied to W&M were accepted in 2015. (Mathematically, that means the acceptance rate for the 12% of Arlington County applicants to W&M that did not go to APS was 79%.)

Conclusion: Your statements aren't supported by the data.[/quote]

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