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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think I just became in favor of book banning

[twitter]https://twitter.com/Scott_Wiener/status/1732065593183064378[/twitter][/quote]
Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road. [/quote]You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"[/quote]

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.[/quote]Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library?  If not, your simply spouting nonsense.  And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat.  As such, I don't watch much Fox News.[/quote]

Many more examples linked in here:
[b]Hundreds of books are usually banned by just ONE person in a community[/b]
https://action.everylibrary.org/books_are_often_banned_by_just_one_person_in_a_community[/quote]I don't know of anyplace in the US where someone other then the superintendent can unilaterally remove a book from school circulation.  Was that the case here?[/quote]

Stop embarrassing yourself. States like Florida have written laws that say any person can object to a book and have it removed from schools.

[/quote]That sounds false.  Can you quote the statute?[/quote]

It sounds false because it's utterly preposterous, yet it's true. And easily found. 
HB 1069. Specifically: 
Any material that is subject to an objection on the basis of sub-sub-subparagraph b.(I) or sub-sub-subparagraph b.(II) must be removed within 5 school days of receipt of the objection and remain unavailable to students of that school until the objection is resolved.

Spoiler alert - they aren't exactly going lickety split to resolve these objections. And yes, any objection. By anyone. Using their website and filling out a form, which is the other part of the bill.

[/quote]Ah, thank you.  So the removal is temporary until reviewed by the school district.  Sounds good.  The way to prevent this would be for the school district to review all books before putting them in the shelves.[/quote]

DP.  Temporary until they get around to reviewing it.  And they can put that effort off as long as they want.  Particularly when they are inundated with thousands of requests, often by just a handful of people.
Please do tell me what is objectionable about poetry by Maya Angelou (her poetry was a staple in my high school forensics competitions in the '90), or books by Judy Blume, or biographies of Harriett Tubman,  Malala Yousafzai,  various civil rights leaders, etc.  How about Anne Frank?[/quote]So what do you think the process should be?[/quote]

I'm the PP.  I do NOT think that the process should give way to a very small handful of people (in some states, hundreds of complaints have been filed by only 2 or 3 people, who clearly have far too much time on their hands) who are then allowed to essentially hold books hostage for an indeterminate amount of time.  
And, again, please instruct me as to the issues with the topics/authors I mentioned in my previous post.  I'd guarantee that books about Malala or Ruby Bridges have  nothing to do with porn.  And Judy Blume has been in school libraries for decades.  As have Toni Morrison and Maya Angelou.[/quote][b]So you don't want anyone to be able to question a book ina  school library.  Got it.[/b]  And I don't have a problem with any of the books you mentioned.  There are some authors that promote racism like Kendi and Jewell, so their books probably don't belong in schools either but I have less of an issue with those. [/quote]

That isn't what I said.  Reading comprehension matters.  But the process in some places right now is such that, if I file a complaint against something like "The Little Engine that Could" in X county, that title is automatically pulled from all shelves in X County Public Schools until some entity associated with the school system gets around to performing a full review of the book.  That review could be tomorrow, or it could be months from now...or longer.  Who knows.
One person has the power to file a complaint against absolutely any book in a school library, and that book is pulled automatically for an indeterminate amount of time, no questions asked.  You...don't see a problem with that?  Or are you OK with it, provided titles you prefer aren't targeted?[/quote]Again, what do you want the process to be?  Do you want 4 or 5 people to have to file the same complaint against the same book?  [/quote]

PP.  I don't know, but I find it abhorrent that one person can have that much influence.  It sets a bad precedent since, as I said, that one person could file a complaint against literally anything at all.
I'm in the "trust your local librarian" camp, sorry.  I don't think they're all in the job to corrupt children.  My best friend is an elementary school librarian, and I know several others, and the idea that they are corrupting young minds with filth seems quite the stretch to me.[/quote]P.S. Our school system also forces kids to read LGBTQ books and has removed opt-outs.  As a liberal, I don't care if my kids read these books but, also as a liberal, I understand that many people are far more conservative than I am and I support their right to have the final say in what their kids may or may not learn.  It is this lack of understanding that makes many (most?) progressives illiberal.[/quote]

Our school forces kids to read books with hetero love stories. Oh no… 
Most kids don’t give a crap. Are parents  afraid  their kids will turn gay? Why not expose kids to different lifestyles? Should they be in a cocoon forever? 
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I was forced to read Romeo and Juliet which is about teen lovers! Who kill themselves!

And our school forces kids to read books involving people of different races and ethnicities and religions. Is PP saying parents should be able to say opt my kid out of reading anything about black people? Or Jewish people? Should a parent who is offended by a religion different than their own be able to opt kids out of reading a book that involves someone from that religion?

Or perhaps PP is saying we need to do away with a curriculum that has students all reading and discussing the same book. I think that must be it. Is that what you want, PP? Because you can’t just target one group and say any books with characters from this group cannot be a required part of the curriculum. If that’s what you want to do, you have to say no book can be required and then rethink your English curriculum all together  And history as well. Parents should be able to opt kids out of reading history books that don’t conform to the parents world view, do you agree with that?

Come to think of it maybe parents should just take over their kids education all together and home school.  [/quote]

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