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All well and good. However it still does not answer the question what is consent? 
In these cases you guys are crying rape even if both people are drunk and eagerly consenting if the girl wakes up later and decides she did not consent, it is rape to you even though the guy was just as drunk.
if a girl says yes to sex but after the sexat decides she really meant no under your definition it is rape too.
The goal posts keep shifting. In some campuses now a hug is sexual assault. So people should just stop hugging each other. Other policies include withholding affection as sexual assault.

Instead of hand wringing just make it clear and say no sex. Full stop. [/quote]

Depending on how you drunk you are, you might be able to consent, or you might not be able to consent. If you are incapacitatingly drunk, you cannot consent. You can agree, but you cannot consent. What's more, this has nothing to do with what you might think after you wake up the next morning. If you were sober enough to consent last night, but this morning upon sober consideration you decide it was a bad idea, that is not rape. If you not sober enough last night to able to consent, that was rape. You = anybody, by the way; not just women.

Also, don't hug people who don't want to be hugged.

As for supposed campus policies that include withholding affection as sexual assault, please provide a specific reference to a specific campus's specific policy.

But yes, certainly, if you don't think that you can navigate the complexities of "only have sex with people if you are certain that they are consenting", then it is best just to avoid all sexual contact.[/quote]

Great, great post, and one that shows that no, not everyone understands what rape is. [/quote]

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