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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My sister in bay area paid upwards of $200k for each of her kids for college counseling and I had a first hand view into how much stress both my nieces went through. Every single aspect of their high school experience was micro managed. Oldest got into Washington University spent the first year trying to transfer out but ended up gradating there. The younger one at Boston College and was utterly devastated and took a long time to recover.

We refused to pay that kind of money and we are paying $6k for the essays and guidance. In at UVA, so we are quite happy, but have a few T20 apps in. Fingers crossed.[/quote]

Pay $200k to get into Boston College??!!

Why did the other not like WashU?[/quote]

Both were shooting for Stanford and Yale/Harvard. The counselor was a former Stanford AO.

It is more disappointment that after working so hard, both had near perfect GPA's, high test scores, high rigor, EC's, etc. that you could not get into T20. It was insane how much Stanford looms over them. Younger got into UC San Diego, but could not bear to go there as lots of kids from same HS with much lower stats/EC's ended up there and it seemed a let down.

It is heart breaking to see people you love go through this.[/quote]

Your kids were not smart enough or did not take the hardest courses. Genuine top kids with max rigor and As without tutors, top 1% scores on unprepped PSAT or other normed tests can get in to T20 without a problem, no hooks, no private counselors. All of mine have as well as many of their top few in the class friends at a variety of magnets and privates. One of mine got into multiple T10/ivy no hooks because they were the best student from their school in addition to all the rest. 
Parents should not encourage their non-naturally-top 1% or maybe 2% students to go for these top schools. They are not for them. Aim lower.[/quote]

Stop with your constant messaging of "non-natural top 1%" and go back to wherever you were born. That's not what top schools want. I'm a 2nd-generation Indian American and have plenty of experience with "top schools" (probably much more than you in my family) and this "aim lower" bs you are constantly espousing here. Get a life.

Top schools want interesting and interested students. Self-driven. A B here or there is not a deterrent (and wasn't for my kids). 
Get out of your CS/STEM bubble. [/quote]

You what top schools probably don’t want? Kids that are such unbearable snobs that they would turn their nose up at a good public college because they would have to go to school with their “lesser” peers. Kids who so lack resilience and perspective that they are “utterly devastated” for long periods of time because they … horrors! … have to go to a very good liberal arts college in Boston. I’m sure these qualities were apparent in their applications. And yes like PP said, I’m sure that their applications did not bear the signs of effortless high intelligence that easily opens the door to top colleges. You know it when you see it. sorry. [/quote]

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