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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]25% of Asian kids score 1400+ on the SAT.

Only 4% of White and 1% of Hispanic and Black kids do.

Asians are underrepresented at elite schools given their high grades and board scores.  [/quote]

But a lot of them get those scores because they go to cram schools. They're not naturally smarter or anything. And the problem with this framing is your premise is these scores are the primary criterion elite schools value -- or should value. They're not. And shouldn't be.

As it is, Asian kids are WOEFULLY overrepresented and we really should cut back on them. [/quote]

[u]Asians may be overrepresented relative to their overall percentage in the school going population, but underrepresented relative to their credentials and accomplishments. Both can be true[/u]. [/quote]

This. Exactly.

So, they are using their analytical abilities to look beyond the college name and going for - in-demand  hard STEM majors where there is a high barrier to entry,  saving their education dollars, building wealth and network,  as well as having profession adjacent gigs and startup ideas. [/quote]

You are basically arguing that computer science skills are more worthy than great writers or great dancers or great linguists and so on.  You need to find a place at a school that agrees with that.   If you are trying to get a place at a school that also values scientific research skills, then you might get beat out by a science researcher.  What the student brings to the table needs to align with what the school wants on the table.[/quote]

No. I am not arguing that at all.  What I am saying and seeing is that these Asian superstars are often times studying a STEM major and a Humanities major.  So, really, they are all-rounders.  Good communicators, able to see the big picture, good debaters etc.  Most of them are polygots- knowing multiple languages.   In addition to all of this - they are dancers, painters, singers, photographers,  and accompalished musicians too.  It is the culture of being all-rounders and excelling in everything. So, it becomes immaterial if Ivies don't take them.  They are increasing the profile of the regular state colleges.   In schools like UMD, it is extremely hard for average kids to get into the high demand classes or even compete with the cohort. [/quote]

Ok.  So they're not screwed. I thought this thread was about students feeling they were screwed over by getting a spot at UMD.   Umd is a very fine institution with competitive admissions and offers significant opportunities to its graduates .  I am not of the opinion that anyone is screwed over by going there but that was the topic of this thread.[/quote]

No.  I believe that Asian students have changed the rhetoric now.  The tippy-top students are being rejected for being Asians (yes, I understand that colleges want diversity and not merit) and they are going to state flagships instead.  So, now, because the influx of these academic superstars, state colleges are doing very well and rising in ranking.  The only downside I can see is the average student in-state may find it extremely hard to get into these programs because the academic stats and ECs are so high.

Having super hardworking Asians in this country is a boon for this country and for our educational institutions.  It is keeping US competitive.  And no, intelligence does not have a racial component.  Individuals can be geniuses and every child can be educated to reach their best. [/quote]

You seem to be myopically focused on what you call academic super stardom.   That simply is not enough at some of these top schools.  Almost all the students at top colleges  are overall academic superstars.  So many of the students at these places have an additional very developed specific talent.

Every department at the school is fighting to get students in there that they want in their programs.  Nobody is fighting for an overall well-rounded high-level academic student.  The math department want s. High-level math majors. The arts department s want accomplished people in their discipline.  The diving coach wants an Olympic diver.  That coach does not care if the diver is Asian or white or black or green.  They want the best diver they can get.

If they're admitting a class of a thousand, you are not competing against every kid that's applying to the school.  You are competing against the other students with your specific talent for the most part.[/quote]

Again, you are using the same old racist trope of Asians being academic superstars but nothing more than that.  Most Asian students are multi-faceted kids who excel equally in various ECs, are multi-lingual, have more exposure to different cultures, will give back to the community etc.  They are also mentally and emotionally strong, having a solid family support and financial strength behind them.

Anyhow, Asian Americans are smart enough to anticipate the jealousy and hate from Whites (Blacks and Hispanics are too downtrodden to impact Asians in any way but through violence). and take steps to mitigate it.  They are determined to not be victims and are forward looking.  They elevate any school they go to and do well in their careers.

In any case, the percentage of super achievers among Asian-Americans is high enough that colleges cannot do without them.  Even with all the discrimination - Asians will continue to rise. [/quote]

Blah, blah blah.

You're a troll.[/quote]

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