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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Well gee we had a global pandemic, a president that would rather let people die than tell the truth, a republican party spewing lies and misinformation and you all are thinking the schools are the problem??

OMG Parents are the problem.

Any idiot in the US that voted for Republicans because of schools is a literal idiot.

If your kid lost education during that time it is on you, not the teachers not the administrators. YOU

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+ 1 million. But unfortunately things will only get worse and worse because fewer and fewer parents accept that responsibility.  There’s no changing a culture that doesn’ty value education.  I grew up in Germany and it is night and day.[/quote]

So true![/quote]

Oh?  Does Germany have the level of ethnic/cultural diversity that the US does?  Does Germany welcome undocumented immigrants and offer them all asylum, as the US (and more locally, Montgomery County) does?

Demographic changes have most definitely had an effect on public schools in the US.  And in MCPS.

Comparing Montgomery County to Germany is disingenuous.  [/quote]

NP. Can't tell if you're trolling. Germany is consistently in the top 10 countries internationally for taking in refugees. E.g., https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/refugees-asylum-seekers-and-migrants/global-refugee-crisis-statistics-and-facts/[/quote]

Clearly you and the PP are trolling.

What percentage of the German population is not white?  Compare that to the population of Montgomery County.

Are you really arguing that Germany is as diverse as the US/Montgomery County?  Not a chance.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/largest-ethnic-groups-in-germany.html

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Why does it matter if they're white?[/quote]

Because the changing demographics of Montgomery County and Maryland have had an effect on test scores.  We have had an influx of non-English speakers, many of whose parents are not educated.  [/quote]

OK, if it's about percentage of non-English speakers, then definitely makes sense to compare to a (West) Germany model. Their non-German speaking immigrant population is comparable. I don't know the numbers on education level though.

Personally, I find it more helpful to learn from other countries than to start with the premise that the US and MoCo are exceptional. Our family has had few complaints with MCPS but no harm in trying to do things better.[/quote]

DP. Americans are not ready to accept the German system, because it is inherently discriminatory. [b]If a child is not a high performer (and disproportionately, this perception is linked to the national origin of the parents) they are simply placed in the hauptschule track and graduate into the apprenticeship world. [/b]

You cannot compare the scores of 11th grade Germans and Americans and make meaningful conclusions because the lower performing German children have been kicked out into the working world.

Maybe we will eventually adopt this system, but your comparison is ill informed. [/quote]
Not only that, but the US has the opposite problem; here everyone overvalues IQ and thinks their kid is 'gifted' and therefore belongs in 'AP' or whatever class, leading to watered down classes and situations where no real learning occurs in the 'highest' classes. Culture wise, I suspect that Germans overall are more focused on education to the degree that parents are willing to help/work with their kids at home. Here in the US parents prefer to not deal with teaching them and instead throw lots of money on outside tutoring to the point that tutoring services has become a huge business. Comparisons have to be done across similar metrics and across various groups. The top kids here are certainly comparable to the top kids there, but the bottom kids here are likely way below the bottom kids there. The gap here is huge.
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Or it could be that parents hire tutors when they don’t know HOW to help their struggling kids, not because they don’t want to.  If a kid is unable to grasp things in school with a professional teacher, how am I, as a completely untrained parent, supposed to help? Believe me I’ve been there and it can be a helpless feeling.  Also sometimes kids respond to other authority figures differently than a parent.[/quote]

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