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[quote=Anonymous][quote]You're kidding, right? Did you pass 8th grade history?[/quote]

Yes I did, and in my history classes I learned about the concept of secularism and its origins in ancient greece.  That's why I posted the link at 09/26/2022 16:40 that you didn't read.

[i]Secularism in practice has existed since ancient times. In societies such as Ancient Greece, a limited secularism was practiced in which religion was not involved in governance, though it was still prevalent in public life.[/i]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism#History

[quote]America was founded on the idea that individual rights come from God and not the state. That concept had never before been expressed, let alone implemented in a form of government. This is inherently the concept of Judeo/ Christian values - that we each, as individuals, are children of God and that we are created by Him.[/quote]

Then isn't it funny that the US constitution doesn't mention God, and even the oft-quoted Declaration of Independence refers to "their creator" - which could be either any god or any force such as naturalist ones.  It was also written by Thomas Jefferson, who was not a Christian but a deist

[i]While Jefferson was a firm theist, the God in which he believed was not the traditional Christian divinity. Jefferson rejected the notion of the Trinity and Jesus’ divinity. He rejected Biblical miracles, the resurrection, the atonement, and original sin (believing that God could not fault or condemn all humanity for the sins of others, a gross injustice)[/i]

https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/jeffersons-religious-beliefs/

He also said "[i]There is not one redeeming feature in our superstition of Christianity. It has made one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.[/i]" and [i]"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"[/i]

Some other founding fathers thoughts:

[i]“Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.”[/i] –James Madison, letter to William Bradford, April 1, 1774

[i]"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible...Some books on Deism fell into my hands...It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared much stronger than the refutations; in short I soon became a thorough deist."[/i] -Benjamin Franklin, "Toward the Mystery

[i]"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it"[/i]- John Adams

[i]"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst."[/i]- Thomas Paine

Still want to challenge my knowledge of history?  Because there is lots more of this stuff.  I didn't want to post the treaty of Tripoli thing again but will if you need me to.
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