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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Poor guy is afraid to move.  [/quote]

Really?  He is too afraid to obey the police?  Why do I suspect the Army might be the wrong career for him?

All he had to do was obey their directions and there would have been ample time to discuss whatever they had pulled him over for.

When you get pulled over you don't get to dictate to the police whether you will or won't obey their commands.  Courts have ruled over and over and over again that the police are legally allowed to order you to get out of the vehicle at their discretion.  This is to protect the safety of the police, for whom traffic stops can be very dangerous.

The police don't know who they are interacting with, what that person's state of mind is, whether they are armed, etc.  [/quote]

Wow. You are clueless about what happens. [/quote]

Let's analyze and I have some experience with this:  They had reason to stop him.  They had reason to be concerned as they approached.  So the threat level is raised and they have greater options of what they can do.  But they saw the paper tag before all of this started going down hill.  That took away some but not all of the seriousness of this.  No doubt they need to check this out and be safe.  But seeing a paper tag should have taken this down a notch.  Seeing the guy in uniform makes a difference.  To the people who say it does not:  Police have to make assessments quickly based on things they are trained on and based on their own experience.  Why would a guy in gang colors get treated differently than a guy in a suit?  Because most of the time the threat is less.  You do not drop your guard or give up the superior position.  But a guy in an army uniform, and almost any cop can tell a real uniform from stuff from a surplus store, --- should take it back a notch, not to zero but back.  They had two officers there.  They have control.  They should have assessed that what they may have thought to be something like a stolen car may not be --- tag and a guy in uniform -- may be something else.  Now the guy appears to not be cooperating but he is calm, not aggressive.  In 2021 I can't say as I blame him and people driving to well lit areas is common enough now that you have to assess.  He is not cooperating but his demeanor is at least neutral in terms of the threat level in 2021 the cops need to pause.  At this point the cops had control.  No reason to pepper spray.  There is no department where it is policy to use a chemical agent on a guy sitting in a car with a seatbelt on.  What should have been done is calm things.  Wait him out.  Reason with him.  Have the patrol supervisor come out.  When that guy sees a supervisor, he will come right out.  Instead they then make it worse and say crazy stuff.

They are not doing a great job prior to the pepper spray.  But the point where it goes off the rails is when they deploy the agent.  Now they are out of bounds.  They then force him out of the car in a fairly rough manner.  Why?  He was pepper sprayed.  Force used is too high at that point.

This could have gone fine but it did not.  One last point:  why wasn't he charged with anything?  only one reason IMO:  the patrol supervisor came and saw the mess the old guy caused:  guy pulled over for no plate and tinted windows -- but there is a plate and the windows are an okay tint (I say that because they look ok in the video but I will tell you that you cannot tell at night in the dark so that is just a BS reason).  Instead of a typical perp with a gun and drugs (which is what the expected to find), the have an Army LT -- who happens to be black.  Pepper spray not deployed to policy and they roughed the guy up.  Some supervisors would take these cops to task but most would just let the LT go and yell at these two fools and hope this goes away.

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I don't know why the first officer decided to do a felony stop? Maybe it was justified, maybe not.

This guy is a total fool for not complying with the instructions and he deserves what he got. You don't know what the cop knows. A bank could have been robbed by someone matching your description.

As far as pepper spray goes, police are allowed to use one level of force higher than the suspect. This guy was actively resisting the officers. But dept. policy will dictate, and nobody here knows their policy.

And the senior cop was pretty crappy overall, while the younger one seemed to be doing a better job.

Lastly, one officer could have re-holstered his Glock and put some cuffs on the guy while his hand were through the window.[/quote]

Another Fascist. [/quote]

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