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I believe ESOL kids do get pullouts. But they are in the classroom most of the time. How would FCPS consistently stratify learners in a way that doesn't segregate them based on english ability?[/quote]

Why do we segregate based on math ability? Isn't AAP segregating those with different academic strengths and needs? Why does it make a difference when it's language? Just leaving them in the classroom with non-ESOL isn't serving either group to the best of our ability. [/quote]

Math ability isnt a protected class.

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Is language? [/quote]

No but national origin is and discrimination based on language has been equated to discrimination based on national origin [/quote]

Equated by whom?  What statute?  What Supreme Court case?  "Equated" by FCPS is all I can see.

Intentionally grouping students into classes for no rational reason other than national origin would be unlawful.  Grouping students by ability is not unlawful, regardless of how it shakes out.  Yes, you might fund that grouping students by English-language proficiency results in American-born students grouped in with Indian-born and Nigerian-born students, because each of those countries speaks English, while other groups of students who have less of a grasp on the English language are grouped together.  So what?  That's not unlawful.  [/quote]

What seems to be missing here is that without basic grasp of the english language teachers can't determine what their level of content knowledge is in each subject. So how would they effectively and legally group them?

Even if schools translated every written material into all languages, the kid would still have to be grouped with like-knowledged kids ... And the instruction would still be in english... Leading them right back to where we started. The teacher speaks English and the kid doesn't so they can't perform.[/quote]

There's no problem with "right back to where we started."  Kids who cannot speak/read/understand English are necessarily going to need to be in remedial/less challenging classes, because they'll be doing the work of learning the basics of English as they also tackle some substantive learning (history, science, literature) in that "new" language for them.  That sounds pretty challenging and it sounds like they will certainly be learning key skills and improving.  And that's exactly what they, and all of us, should expect from school.

We are a nation with a dominant language, like every other nation.  Here, our language is English.  We cannot throw non-English speakers/readers, or weak English speakers/readers, in with children who are fluent with the language, maybe even advanced, and who need to be challenged with the substantive information (the history, science, literature, etc.) that they are reading in English.

People are making it so complicated because they're afraid someone will call them a racist. Clown world. [/quote]

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