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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Elektra][quote=Anonymous][quote=Elektra][quote=Anonymous]Players also help reduce the number of available good guys there are in the dating market. [b]The (otherwise) good guys see what sorts of behavior is rewarded by sex and attention and try to emulate that behavior. [/b][/quote]

But can you really call them "good guys" if they are susceptible to that kind of influence?[/quote]

[b]Sure. Wanting sex isn't shameful (despite cultural messages to the contrary), and enjoying the romantic attentions of women is perfectly normal.[/b] These are very strong motivators for a great many men, good and bad alike. Responding to strong incentives doesn't make a guy bad. For guys motivated by these incentives (sex and attention), it comes down to a choice between reacting to what women say they want in a man or reacting to what women act like they want in a man. Words are wind, as the man said. To the extent women, particularly in those oh so formative teen years, are chasing after guys who treat people decently, there is no dissonance. But, to the extent they're chasing after the guys who gave other guys wedgies, the message comes across loud and clear.

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I agree on the part about wanting sex and romantic attention. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But when ethics and compassion and treating people with respect fly out the window, you are not dealing with a decent guy. There are ways to have sex without being an ass.

To the PP who talked about trying to be in an open relationship with a player and getting lied to anyway: I have been in that situation, yes, and it sucked. But even when there is honesty, [b]you are still dealing with a man who does not necessarily have[/b] the capability of honor, empathy, and [b]real attachment[/b] so, no matter what, you are going to end up in a bad place at some point with this person. [/quote]

I don't agree about them not having honor or empathy, but yes, when are you involved with someone who is involved with other people, and having sex with all of you, and going with whichever one seems fun that night, then no, you aren't going to get him to be attached to you when that's how the relationship starts.[/quote]

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