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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]SES means more than income level.  Your children have educated parents who have high expectations for their children and send them to school ready to learn.  That is what drives the SES difference, income is just a handy proxy for a household with those characteristics.[/quote]

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While PP is crowing about their parenting skills, and how even if DH loses his job, their "straight A+" kids will continue to perform, what she's really saying is "my kids' mother has a high level of 'educational attainment'". Which is pretty much the only thing that matters.

Social conservatives who think they can fix the broken system by exhorting parents of low-performing kids to "take responsibility" or "get involved" need to understand that the problems go much deeper. You might just as well advise poor kids to get reborn with better parents.[/quote]

That's not what I was saying at all, nor am I a social conservative. I'm a liberal who voted for Obama twice. I just pointed out that success in school depends more on reading than on daddy's bank account. I know plenty of high SES kids who have every gadget created as soon as it gets out, go to camp every week to summer and even have nannies pick them up after school who can't do math. It's basically a matter of parents who value books more than gadgets, TV, etc., regardless of income level. High SES parents can run away from their kids faster than low SES parents. [/quote]

There's a *ton* of literature on this, and pretty much none of it supports what you're saying. Obviously there are a lot of factors, economic and cultural, but the "stickiest" one is essentially "how much schooling has the mother completed." The rest of the cultural traits tend to flow from there. As I said, simply telling kids to get better parents doesn't advance the argument very much.[/quote]

This city spends a huge amount of money in the name of helping its poor.  But probably far more would be accomplished by shifting some of that to adult education on literacy, values and life skills.   Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, but teach a man to fish and you feed him for life.[/quote]

Totally agree, we could do much better by investing in early education and adult literacy, both ends of the spectrum and less in the middle. Motivation, parenting, and resources are key. There are just as many unmotivated people sitting at home in the countries were most of our immigrants come from who are not getting educated, so of course those that struggle to leave their own country and come to a new one for a better life have a different kind of motivation that low SES parents who have lived in poverty in the US. There are also many immigrants who don't succeed in America due to having illiterate and low literate parents who work all the time to make ends meet, many Latino students from poor uneducated families are not doing as well for example in DCPS as the African students who often already speak English and may have come here legally or through refugee status. All immigrants do not hate the same story; I should know I'm one of them. [/quote]

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