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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I know many legal immigrants.  Not one of them favors amnesty.

[/quote][b]yes the recent immigrants are always opposed to the next wave of immigrants.[/b] This is nothing new. But we have real issues to fix. Assuaging someone angry about line butting ranks really low. [/quote]

This.....

Total b-s!

I am a legal immigrant and neither I nor many others I know who came here legally are opposed to LEGAL immigration. But we are opposed to people who come here illegally and then feel they have a right to stay in this great country although they broke the law when they came here.

And Republicans who support this move towards amnesty are out of their fricking minds because most Latinos think that it is Obama and the Democrats who are really rooting for them. Get ready for 11 million more citizens who will for the most part vote Democrat in future elections.

Seriously, if the Democrats did not think this would accrue to their benefit do you really think they would be pushing for immigration reform and legitimizing millions of illegals?
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Illegal vs. Legal however comes down to arbitrary definitions/rules at that time. There is no 'inherent' differentiator if you know what i mean. If you have completely open borders, the suddenly everyone is 'legal'.

We need to look at the immigration debate through what is right/good policy rather than legal/illegal.

You say you are for legal immigration. what does that mean? Do you want unlimited h1b? Would you like chain migration/family reunification? Do you want a quota system again scaled to different countries such as back in the 20's? Or would you rather a high bar for citizenship but a generous work-permit program a la switzerland or singapore?

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Sorry but this is a cop-out. Of course, if we had open borders then there would not be anything such as a legal or illegal immigrant but we don't have open borders.

Right/good policy is not determined because we have allowed a problem to fester that has caused us to end up with 11 million illegals. If we would not have allowed these illegals to enter the country under our immigration laws, then just because they are already here is not justification for legalizing them.

I am all for legal immigration - the diversity, skills and sheer drive enriches this country immeasurably. I don't have a problem with with the family reunification provision or current eligibility for citizenship. Where there is a temporary need for labor eg agricultural workers, then let us grant work permits expressly for that purpose.

Frankly, I blame the Republicans just as much as I do the Democrats for where we are today. Business generally supports Republicans and wants the cheap labor from these illegals and they discourage strong penalties against them for hiring illegals. Those who come here illegally do so for economic reasons for the most part ..... remove that incentive and the problem will be greatly diminished.[/quote]

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