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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]Op, a more broader, philosophical objection is, you're not adding to the universe. You're taking. You're not giving. You're leaving nothing behind. [/b]In an environment of overpopulation that could be seen as a good thing by some. However, for those in a fortuitous position, financial able, able to provide, well, highly educated -- it's just a loss to society. [b]A loss to the rest of us. Again, you leave nothing behind.[/b]

And on a personal level. More to love. Family lineage is a stronger bond. You aren't providing any value-added.[/quote]

Again, this depends on what you do. If you were involved in groundbreaking cancer research, or are a single person dedicating your life to Doctors Without Borders, or were the person who advocated long enough to get lead out of gasoline in the US (Caltech geochemist Clair Patterson, https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/getting-lead-out-47935 ), you've probably had a more far-reaching effect on the world than the average parent. You've probably added more to the world, in value.

Of course, that depends on what you do, and it's always a matter of degree. But there are some world changers who had children as well, and there are some who likely credit their ability to focus and dedicate to what they did. It's hard to raise children when you are providing medical care to refugees in starving war-torn countries -- some do, some do not.

But as for a matter of degree, you stated above, "you're not adding to the universe. You're taking. You're not giving. You're leaving nothing behind." That's pretty one note and dogmatic. Don't you think it should be given a little more nuance, or is the only thing that counts warm bodies? Because you can do those in test tubes, you know. Your claim has someone who gives birth and puts the baby in a dumpster as credited with doing more for the world than Leonardo da Vinci, who had no children.

Is that really what you are claiming?[/quote]

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