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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The issue is immigration. People from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan don't seem particularly interested in becoming Dutch and accepting Dutch norms - whether the role of women, LGBTQ, work, etc etc. Plus all the violence these immigrants often bring. The Dutch are fed up. It's a small country. It's not like there's a lot of space. Everyone needs to live together. The immigrants that Holland has taken do not seem inclined to assimilate, even with all the benefits. The Dutch are as liberal as ever. But the immigrants are not generally tolerant. So there's a very strong electoral backlash.  [/quote]
Why don't you see these attitudes in the American Muslim diaspora?[/quote]
DP. Because it’s the numbers game. [/quote]

Correct. The Muslim population isn't big enough in the US to have a meaningful presence or influence. Very different in Europe. But you only need to see the recent elections in a Muslim majority Michigan town to see what can happen.

European left politics have a weird and complicated relationship with Muslim voters, who tend to support left politicians for being welcoming as well as for generous social benefits, but remain vastly socially conservative and flex that muscle when they want to. This can't go on much longer. [/quote]

Pretty much this. It’s uncomfortable as hell for more liberal-minded folks to discuss what is happening in Hamtramck and in Dearborn. The same liberal folks who stood side by side with the Muslim minority in Hamtramck are now being screwed over by the Musl8m leadership in their city. [/quote]

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