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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I would certainly love to see gun control measures passed but I worry the most about traffic safety. We are a car-obsessed country.  [/quote]

That's a mistake, as gun deaths have now passed traffic deaths as the biggest cause of death for kids. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/14/magazine/gun-violence-children-data-statistics.html[/quote]

We should care about both. Countries that have taken dramatic steps to reduce one have usually also taken dramatic steps to reduce the other. Often around the same time in history. Countries like the Netherlands were motivated to totally redesign their transportation infrastructure back in the 70s because of the number of children being killed in traffic accidents, and they also passed strict gun control laws around the same time. It's a reflection of a culture that highly values the safety and welfare of children.

These countries also do things like give money to all families so they can feed and clothe their kids regardless off income (Finland) or provide extensive post-natal care and parental leaves and subsidized childcare, and this is done largely to benefit kids, not parents (though it does benefit parents). The idea is that children deserve the best possible start in life. And this stuff isn't restricted to Scandinavia. You see more child-centric policies in Africa, Asia, the Mid-East, than you do in the US. Often these policies are portrayed as feminist or pro-women, but that's not how they are conceptualized elsewhere. They are pro-child.

Americans do not value children. We do not value their lives, their education, their happiness. Our individualistic culture extends even to children. It's like a cult.[/quote]

Scandinavian counties are not the be all , end all of nirvana.  I know from experience.  I have an idea, [b]don't have children you can't afford to support, that what DH and I did when planning our family.[/b]  We knew our income potential and its' limits and although both of us would have loved a large family it was two and done for us.  It's what we both knew we could comfortably afford and support without depending on handouts from the government.  [/quote]

You are talking about adults and she is talking about pro-child policies. YOU are the problem. Simple-minded and blind to your own haughtiness. A kid does not make a choice to be born. You are punishing children for the decisions of the adults.

And if you know from experience, I assume you grew up in Scandinavian countries? So had all the benefits of the policies we are discussing? [/quote]

A social safety net is part of the fabric of any civilized society. I believe in personal responsibility but I don’t believe in children suffering for the sins of their fathers. Everyone deserves a safe place to live, health care, food, and opportunities. But maybe you don’t believe in that. [/quote]

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