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[quote=Anonymous]Op writes about men going their own way, stoicism and the red pill etc.

I think the concept of Stoicism as a means of self control has merit. In fact you’re getting the opinion of a white married man right now, so you can take what I’m saying with as many grains of salt as you want.

Everyone is seeking self growth. Obviously women are doing better than men, and eclipsing them when it comes to attaining higher education. However I think there’s a different reason than men are drawn to Jordan Peterson or people like Joe Rogan. They espouse this sort of armchair psychology expert bs they spew to their followers. Joe Rogan basically has a podcast and talks about taking psychedelics mixed martial arts and then I guess kind of subtle racism by the way he talked about Black people in the past.

Jordan Peterson has some nuggets of wisdom but I think what he is saying is also a lot of right wing BS.

However, this is going to anger a lot of people, especially women, but I think espousing or using the tools of stoicism especially regarding confrontation to be very useful. I’m married and I know what it’s like to argue with a woman. I have been in relationships and known tons of women. I know what it’s like to argue with women. In many cases women argue more with emotion than on fact. Men will just recount endless facts in their arguments with women to try and sway the argument, but that’s a losing battle, because biologically an argument for a woman is more about how they feel and trying to convey those feelings, rather than what the actual argument itself was about. Men just want to keep arguments in the fact base realm.

When you see these “men going their own way” types of people, it’s probably because their wives stop sleeping with them as much and they’re trying to figure out a way to fix that, or probably because they’re tired of the way they get into arguments with their wives and how utterly absurd many arguments devolve. Stoicism essentially teaches that you don’t get into an unnecessary argument because it’s a stupid thing to do. Stoicism teaches to avoid an argument before it begins. I think that’s applicable to a lot of marital or relationship conflicts. For example if your wife’s having a bad day and nagging and putting out a bad vibe and just being generally unpleasant and sort of fishing for a fight, stoicism would teach the man in the relationship just to walk away let it cool down and don’t get into the argument because the argument itself would be based in emotion and not on fact.

So that’s my take on this whole thing. Also, people like Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson because they’re tired of this social justice warrior PC culture or whatever they call it thing where they feel there’s moral absolutism on the left preventing them from speaking their minds and these two people just go ahead and say what they want without fear of offending people. It’s actually everyone is a friend of these days of offending anyone else for fear of getting canceled and I think that Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson kind of shoot it straight in a more traditional sense to them.[/quote]

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