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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ncsl will be posting to visions this week. Ncsl has plans to play this fall[/quote]

NCSL can’t afford another closure. They need those $. Ask Rich. 
Otherwise they’d be at risk of dissolution. Like PP argued about Loudoun folding. Same scenario here. They’re riding the “it’s a private business we will proceed with waivers” wave so they’re kind of lucky in that regard they can pull such risk move.

Northam is ultimately the last straw. He’s holding the sword of Damocles over all these “non-profits”. If he calls it then it’ll be a sure death.

Question is: will he push VA into phase 2 and destroy all these organizations and clubs?

What’s your bet?[/quote]

If all of the healthcare professionals are correct about COVID-19 will spread a lot more this a Fall, Northam, Hogan and other Governors might not have a choice. [/quote]

Vitamin D from sunshine is keeping hospitalizations down over the summer as infection rates are on par with the Spring peak; before the board troll makes any stupid comments, look up the wealth of medical research on Vitamin D's role in immune system stabilization.  Fall and winter will cause the severe case numbers to go up, and without the restrictions that were in place in the spring, there will be a surge of load on the hospitals.   Governors of most states would have no other choice without a well available therapy, one that is currently unavailable.    If the season starts around 9/1, I'd expect a shutdown by the end of the month.[/quote]

So how do you explain the states with the most amount of sunshine - Florida, Texas and California leading the amount of cases and deaths this summer? There's a multi-varied explanation for the spread.

One factor true in most countries is that once you get to about 20-25% then the numbers don't rise drastically after. See Sweden which is no down to minimal death. per day. Same with with New York which is seeing limited deaths in Mahattan because the disease has already blown through the population and most people have already got it or are immune.[/quote]

Ummm, high population skew?   Again, the death rates as percentages are lower than they were over the winter last year in the northern hemisphere (China, US, and Europe) and they will rise again.   Where are your numbers on your Manhattan "herd immunity" theory?   I'd love to see them, because I don't believe it one bit.[/quote]

Different poster but this isn’t kooky right wing stuff. You also need to remember that a substantially higher number of people have probably been exposed without testing. It will obviously vary by locality and state. It’s ridiculous to view numbers or curves on a national basis. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/07/herd-immunity-coronavirus/614035/[/quote]

There are no scientific studies showing the US population is anywhere near a number of previous infections that would reach herd immunity levels (75%+), and that assumes that this is something that mutates at such a low rate that herd immunity is even possible.  It may end up like seasonal cold viruses, to which there is no herd immunity.[/quote]

Did you even read the article in the link to which you are replying?  It suggests herd immunity levels - usually 60%, not 75% -- may be lower with Covid-19, on the order of 20-25%.  This isn't right wing mania.  But let's say its 60-75% - doesn't the same logic apply?  I don't get why you think lockdowns kill the virus.  They don't.  They didn't in 1918.  Herd immunity got us through that.[/quote]

I have a PhD in biochemistry.   That information is bunk and I’d question the motives of anyone who claims a 20-25% inflection base is sufficient for herd immunity, even for more stabile, non-mutating viruses. [/quote]

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