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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Immigration is good. [/quote]

OP here, and I agree.  Legal, merit-based immigration is good.  [/quote]
Has she ever outright stated that illegal immigration is good?  I know she is for DACA, but so are many Americans.[/quote]

I don't know about Hillary but yes some Dems have outright praised illegal immigrants (looking at you Nancy) as if it's a virtue.

At the beginning of his campaign Bernie even had some frank speak on how illegal immigrants undercut wages for low income Americans... And then the party got to him and he shut up pretty quickly on that line.[/quote]
Yes, but by that same token some Rs have outright stated they only want white Europeans to be able to immigrate here, so I don't think it's fair to characterize the entire Dem party or HRC as pro-illegal immigration, unless Rs are willing to agree that their party is only for legal immigration of whites.

I think the US' relationship with illegal immigration is complicated.  Obviously, illegal immigration is wrong, but, they do provide some benefit to the economy -- just ask those Rs farmer who hire many of them, and even Trump's resorts.  Rs love cheap foreign labor. That's why Trump originally chose an avowed lover of cheap foreign labor as Labor Sec.  That's why a rich GOP donor and Koch brothers fought against e-verify in FL.

I'm not saying there aren't Dems who seem to be fine with illegal immigration, but at least they aren't hypocrites about it, whereas you have one part of the R party who hate illegal immigration and want a wall built,  but another part whose businesses thrive on it.  Some Rs are even against the wall, even in TX, where the wall would be built.

As I stated, this country's relationship with illegal immigration is really complicated.  That doesn't mean we shouldn't address it, but it does mean that the wall isn't going to solve the issue of immigration, especially considering so many illegal immigrants now come from visa overstays.   Let's say a person comes over on a H2A visa to work on a farm. The visa expires but he decides to stay because that farmer is willing to keep him because he's a good worker.  The farmer wants to renew his visa but it's bogged down in bureaucracy, so he decides to keep him and pay him under the table.  This is a common occurrence.

I don't think the Dems have lost their way regarding legal immigration.  They have historically been for legal immigration.  The 1965 Immigration act by LBJ (Dem) repealed the national origin quota, enabling many from  nonwhite countries to immigrate to the US.  Removing the quota lead to an expansion in immigration from, yes, sh1thole countries (full disclosure:  I am one of these legal immigrants post the 1965 act from a former sh1thole country).

[quote][quotas in immigration in] 1920s in a deliberate attempt to limit the entry of Southern and Eastern European immigrants—or more specifically Jews from the Russian Pale and Catholics from Poland and Italy, groups at the time deemed “unassimilable.” The quotas supplemented prohibitions already in place that effectively banned the entry of Asians and Africans. 
1965 amendments were intended to purge immigration law of its racist legacy by replacing the old quotas with a new system that allocated residence visas according to a neutral preference system based on family reunification and labor force needs. The new system is widely credited with having sparked a shift in the composition of immigration away from Europe toward Asia and Latin America, along with a substantial increase in the number of immigrants.

[/quote]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3407978/

Note how the 1920s quota was meant to keep what we deem now "assimilated" Italians, Poles and Russians from immigrating to the US.  These views are very similar to the views held by  many of the descendants of these Italians, Poles and Russians towards today's Mexicans and others, accusing them of not assimilating, when in fact, the next generation or the one after do assimilate fairly well.[/quote]

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