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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Agree with the above. Most Democrats I know don't want open borders and are open to reforms for the immigration system. But the distinct impression is that Republicans aren't acting in good faith on this issue. Despite the insistence that they are making a distinction between ILLEGAL versus LEGAL immigrants, one gets the distinct impression that they aren't too keen on legal immigrants either.

In fact, if one looks to poor, non-white American citizens, Republicans don't seem that keen on helping them out either. So, right or wrong, this leads to the inference that immigration control isn't the real issue but, rather, racism is. (Cue Trump foaming about shithole countries and wanting people from Scandinavian countries.)

So, yeah, lets reform the immigration system. But don't take Republicans at their word when they say that's what they want to do. [/quote]

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 It's just a straight-up lie to say that liberals or Dems are all for "open borders."

Most that I know think that the only meaningful way to reduce illegal immigration is (1) to sanction businesses and individuals who hire undocumented immigrants, (2) to make the quotas reasonable, and (3) to try to help address the problems in the countries from which people are coming, some of which are the result of American policy (whether intervention in support of dictatorships or our misguided War on Drugs).  If there is a demand for their labor, they will come. If people have to wait 15 years to enter legally, many won't.   If staying means facing violence and poverty, many will leave.  It's a 2,000-mile border that crosses through some seriously tough terrain.  There's no way anyone wants to pay for the number of agents that would be necessary to keep people from crossing, and many people who are here illegally didn't walk across the border at all -- they entered legally and overstayed their visas or entered some other way.

If you really don't understand what's causing the impasse, it's because you haven't been paying attention, and you are likely prone to Both-Sideism.  There have been plenty of proposals, and one party is primarily responsible for blocking them.  One party has decided that Scary Brown People and MS-13 and Hordes of Moochers and Caravans of Criminals is a great way to rile up its base.   [/quote]

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