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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP here.  I'm getting some good feedback, thanks.

The answer is no on the toys.  She is too vanilla for that.

Agreed that saying "some women like this" might be weird.  I don't want her thinking "well what women do you know that like this and how do you know they like it"

I think she doesn't like exposing her rear end honestly.  A self conscious thing.  We can all be self conscious about certain body parts.  And her butt is actually very nice.

I'm glad to get some female feedback on how to bring her out of her shell a little, or mix up the routine.  But not trying to do anything crazy.  That is why I didn't go to the explicit board, because the answers would be crazy stuff that I know she isn't interested in, and I'm fine that she is not.  I'm fine staying vanilla, just need a little variance on the routine and trying to figure out how to make her see that.[/quote]

Don't knock the explicit board. Some of the posters here who are helping you are from the explicit board.

Whatever you do, go slow and easy. I agree about not discussing in advance. Things sound weird with your clothes on but feel good with your clothes off. I also agree with not asking permission. It's a mood killer. Just be good at reading her mood. If you push too far all at once, she could tense up, and she might not finish. If she doesn't get there, it'll reinforce that vanilla is best. I know that if I feel self conscious, I can't get there until DH makes me feel comfortable again. It's not fair to him to do the heavy lifting, but if he wants the thing that pushes my boundaries, that's how it works.

This is getting back to positioning, but there are positions where you're not facing each other, and you can't see her ass. Spooning is very intimate. You could try spooning naked and not attempting sex, then when she's comfortable with that, maybe she'd be willing to go a little further. [/quote]

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