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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I believe in God, Jesus , the Holy Spirit , Heaven and Hell.
My personal reasons are spiritual, observational , artifactually and common sense.

1) [b]I believe we have a soul.  I think even atheists are a little offended If anybody said their child didn't have a soul.[/b]

2) The story of Christ penetrates my soul for some reason.  The triumph of love, the balance of justice and the searingly accurate accounting of human weakness does not feel like it originated from human minds.  Humans don't like to be humiliated by their character. The way you can't get the story out of your mind or off your hands is unique among any I have witnessed.

3) To me it's obvious their is an intelligent entity that created our existence and physical universe.  Matter, time , physical laws, math and love don't just happen from nothing. That is a more unlikely prospect than a Flying Spaghetti Monster.  It's obvious that our creation occurred outside the realm of math, time , a sequence of events , and physical laws. That would be a entity beyond our comprehension and capacity.

4) the shroud of Turin is the only man made object on earth that man cannot understand or has any idea how to duplicate.  And it is the image of Crucified Christ.

5) there is no downside to belief in Christ.  If you are on your deathbed it may be your only hope and it would be absolutely foolish not to grasp the only rescue rope you have.  If it's not true you haven't lost anything.[/quote]

Atheism has nothing to do with what we are (i.e., whether or not we have a soul).  It's about whether or not there is a god.

FFS, why is atheism and agnosticism so hard for religious people to understand?  It's pretty simple, and it deals with one thing: god.  It's not about what it means to be human or whether we have a soul.

As for #5, that's all debatable.  Some people genuinely seek the truth.  So this ridiculous argument that they should believe in something for some selfish reason because there's "no downslde" runs contrary to what they value.  Religious people talk about values all of the time.  You don't think non-religious people have values?  Some of us genuinely want to know the truth of things (as much as possible).

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A soul is just as scientifically irrational a belief as a God. For an atheist to believe in a unprovable soul but not a probably more provable intelligent creator based on observation of creation just seems to indicate irrational stubbornness but that's just my opinion. As to 5) what you value is irrelevant in about 1 minute when your soulless mass of cells dies. On your deathbed it is unarguable that the only thing you have time to do that may effect your future positively is believe and submit to Jesus.  There is no downside and it would seem to be foolish not to go for it.[/quote]

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