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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]You are offended by the disgusting location behind the dumpsters.  I agree with you - that is not a place that [b]most women (or men) would want to fool around[/b].  The idea of laying down in those pine needles that party goers had very likely peed and puked on...hey, I'm with you.  That is disgusting.   That is beyond gross. But [b]Brock and Emily Doe did end up together[/b] behind those dumpsters and there is [b]no indication that she was dragged there.  She walked with him[/b].  In fact, [b]he said in his statement[/b] that she led him there.  [b]Hard to believe but[/b] you have to realize that [b]this girl was drunk[/b] and probably did not want to be seen by her sister sucking face with this guy (just a guess).  [b]One thing led to another,[/b] he touched her with dirty gross hands, she probably touched him with her dirty gross hands. She wound up passing out.  And Brock was seen humping her passed out body.

Both of these people were out of control drunk that night.  That isn't [b]an excuse for Brock touching her passed out body.[/b]  But[b] it certainly explains [/b]some of the extremely bad choices that they both made.

If the facts were different - if he had carried or dragged her to that location while she was passed out and proceeded to assault her that would be a much more serious situation.  But it really does sound like [b]she walked there[/b]. 
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Here's your [i]rape culture[/i] in bold print.  This is how the rationalization works in a rapist's mind.

So what if it didn't work with 10 other women.  Finally got a score because this one right here wants it.  She hasn't said no.

This thread has been talking a lot about what to teach daughters. Parents should print this out and show it to their sons.  [/quote]

Women will never be equal to men if they can not assume the same responsibility as men.  I am very uncomfortable with this notion that a drunk man is somehow more in control than a drunk woman is.  I am in control of me and I make choices for me.  If I want to go behind a dumpster with a guy - that is my choice.  If I want to fool around with a guy I will fool around with him.  If I want him to treat me with decency I have to do the same thing for him.

Of course, if I am unconscious I can not give consent.  No one is saying that a passed out person can give consent.[/quote]

I kind of understand your point which is (I think) that if two people are blitzed and making poor decisions how can one be held more accountable than the other. And you know there's actually a parallel for women.

Women have to run about birth control no matter how drunk they get, or they think about it beforehand to take precautions (pill, sober friend, buddy system). Women can say men need to take responsibility for birth control too until we're blue in the fave but the reality is that the buck stops in our bodies so is really on us.

Men are physically much stronger than women and are able to overtake them even unintentionally. Therefore the buck stops with men on physical assault in most cases. And men need to be aware of that and take precautions to make sure they don't accidentally rape someone, just like a woman does to avoid pregnancy, because if they don't l, then yes they'll face the consequences. But as is true in both scenarios, everyone is really living with the repurcussions for the rest of their lives.[/quote]

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