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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]You are offended by the disgusting location behind the dumpsters.  I agree with you - that is not a place that [b]most women (or men) would want to fool around[/b].  The idea of laying down in those pine needles that party goers had very likely peed and puked on...hey, I'm with you.  That is disgusting.   That is beyond gross. But [b]Brock and Emily Doe did end up together[/b] behind those dumpsters and there is [b]no indication that she was dragged there.  She walked with him[/b].  In fact, [b]he said in his statement[/b] that she led him there.  [b]Hard to believe but[/b] you have to realize that [b]this girl was drunk[/b] and probably did not want to be seen by her sister sucking face with this guy (just a guess).  [b]One thing led to another,[/b] he touched her with dirty gross hands, she probably touched him with her dirty gross hands. She wound up passing out.  And Brock was seen humping her passed out body.

Both of these people were out of control drunk that night.  That isn't [b]an excuse for Brock touching her passed out body.[/b]  But[b] it certainly explains [/b]some of the extremely bad choices that they both made.

If the facts were different - if he had carried or dragged her to that location while she was passed out and proceeded to assault her that would be a much more serious situation.  But it really does sound like [b]she walked there[/b]. 
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Here's your [i]rape culture[/i] in bold print.  This is how the rationalization works in a rapist's mind.

So what if it didn't work with 10 other women.  Finally got a score because this one right here wants it.  She hasn't said no.

This thread has been talking a lot about what to teach daughters. Parents should print this out and show it to their sons.  [/quote]

Women will never be equal to men if they can not assume the same responsibility as men.  I am very uncomfortable with this notion that a drunk man is somehow more in control than a drunk woman is.  I am in control of me and I make choices for me.  If I want to go behind a dumpster with a guy - that is my choice.  If I want to fool around with a guy I will fool around with him.  If I want him to treat me with decency I have to do the same thing for him.

Of course, if I am unconscious I can not give consent.  No one is saying that a passed out person can give consent.[/quote]

You are so backwards.  How is convicting a man who committed sexual assault of sexual assault absolving women of any responsibility?  Responsibility for what?  You are part of the problem.  You should be ashamed of yourself if you can look at a situation like this and assign any responsibility for the attack on the woman who was attacked.  For the last fucking time, having too much to drink is not anyone's way of saying "do what you want to me".  It is not.  If you come upon a drunk person, you help them.  You don't rob them, you don't hurt them, you don't rape them.  If you do any of those things to another person at any time, it is on YOU.  The minute you say she asked for this because she drank too much to be in control, and that is what you are fucking doing, you are part of the rape culture.

Women who defend rapists disgust me.  I know you do it out of fear so you can rationalize to yourself that it won't ever happen to you, but it is still disgusting.[/quote]

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