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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]I have seen zero evidence that is happening. And if its the exiled former Erdogan ally Gulen (don't know a lot about him but an Islamist power play?) behind this, then whatever. Let them fight this out. I'm with ya. If it's secular forces that wish to restore true democracy, I pray for them.[/quote]

Turn on a TV and get out of your denial. MSNBC is currently showing troops firing into the crowds while jets fly overhead.
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Don't see Anything on MSNBC about troops firing into crowds.[/quote]

I just watched it. It was in Ankara. I have no idea why you missed it. Read the post just above yours where the poster says "There is link after link & photo after photo of gruesome photos".

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Where is the link?
Sounds like two Islamists fighting it out. OK . I agree the known element is better than unknown, and both are horrid.[/quote]

TV shows don't have links. But, here is one video:

https://twitter.com/MahirZeynalov/status/754091488678711297

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Thank you.  The world is going to hell and Obama's 8 years of foreign policy are a total fail. Who to support? Isolationist Trump (reminds me of Obama). Or Hawk Hillary (so cynical and corrupt). Interesting conundrum. I am sorry Ataturk. Your dream is dying.[/quote]

So it's Obama's fault that the Turks elected someone like Erdogan?  Seems ironic given that half of the US supports Trump.  [/quote]

I was about to say,  just like Egypt, how can people elect someone like this in the first place? Then I thought, wait, we may have a Trump presidency.....

Sure hope not.[/quote]

The issue here, and in Venzuela is they are  democratically elected the first time, and then systematically start dismantling civil society. They stack the legislature and judiciary, then force through changes in term limits, etc. Once they are in it is very very hard to get them out. Look at Venezuela. The people voted out Maduro in a referendum. But he's still there somehow.[/quote]

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