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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]But people get sick from all types of meds. No one is telling men to stop Viagra and work harder on gkeeping their er$action to solve their ED issues. And the side affects for Viagra are very serious. No one tell teenagers to stop  Accutane and eat fruit and vegetables if it remedies their cystic acne. I mean c'mon don't even get me started on chemo meds. People should talk with their doctor and determine is better to stay overweight and unhealthy or suffer the side affects of these meds.

I have been on these meds for over 5 years and I've only suffered a little nausea. Lost over 150lbs. I'm not the least bit worried about any lawsuits. [/quote]

Yes actually some of us are! Viagra is necessary for most men who use it because they have cardiovascular disease sufficiently advanced to impede natural erection - this can be entirely reversed on a plant based diet low in saturated fat and without added sugars. Ditto hypertension drugs. Ditto  proton pump inhibitors for chronic acid reflux. Ditto statins for cholesterol. Ditto metformin and insulin for T2 diabetes.

All of these conditions are reversible with the right diet in the vast majority of people - but it does require the will and work to grapple with significant dietary changes and detoxing one’s brain from poor dietary habits that in most cases are decades long established.

I will always encourage people to get off drugs and use food as medicine first and foremost. It’s hard to do in our toxic food culture, but as more and more people are doing it, you can find your tribe that will support you. [/quote]

How many new DCUM threads have you started handwringing about PPIs, etc.? Zero? One? Or do you reserve your profound concern trolling for drugs that also — totally coincidentally, I’m sure — provide hard evidence that weight is not a simple matter of willpower?

The fact is that there are not new threads every single day from handwringing posters about PPIs, statins, Viagra, and more. Only for the drugs that successfully prove the point that obesity is not a matter of willpower. What a remarkable coincidence![/quote]

ABSOLUTELY obesity is NOT about willpower, I never said it was! I am a sufferer myself, I KNOW.

Obesity researchers are still working things out but we certainly know that there are all kinds of hormonal issues and other factors that interplay to drive metabolic disorder, and it is generally accepted now that the disorder precedes obesity and that is why there are millions of skinny fat, sick Americans who don’t even know they have metabolic disorder that is harming their organs and long term health. The fat is a symptom, it isn’t the cause.

That said, what we do know is that certain foods help certain people to get the same effect as weight loss drugs without the drugs. We also know that while different diets can work for weight loss, many are not sustainable long term and some that might be for some people are incontrovertibly linked to much higher risk of cardiovascular disease.

Listen none of this is easy. People keep wanting the easy. The obesity doctors who have used these drugs for many years now would be first to say it is not a miracle solution to the overweight/obesity epidemic.

And as the drugs are more widely used, we see more and more of the worst side effects.

And we know the drugs have to be taken in perpetuity to keep the weight off unless, gasp, the lifestyle changes are made - which means a radical shift in relationship to food - seeing it more as for fuel and less as for pleasure.

[b]These drugs are tools but they aren’t cures and we should be striving for better solutions. Long term if we don’t change the food environment beginning with the poisoning in the school lunch programs and the marketing to kids we aren’t going to win this war with injectables.[/b][/quote]

I'm on Wegovy and I agree with the bolded. I am all for better solutions!  My taking Wegovy does not prevent those solutions. If anything, I am able to be more active with my kid - including taking sports instruction with her - because I no longer have the joint pain and other issued caused by weight.  
None of these many many posts are about better solutions, they are all just hand wringing about the tool we have today. I would love some threads on changing the food environment.[/quote]

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