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Anonymous wrote:But people get sick from all types of meds. No one is telling men to stop Viagra and work harder on gkeeping their er$action to solve their ED issues. And the side affects for Viagra are very serious. No one tell teenagers to stop Accutane and eat fruit and vegetables if it remedies their cystic acne. I mean c'mon don't even get me started on chemo meds. People should talk with their doctor and determine is better to stay overweight and unhealthy or suffer the side affects of these meds.

I have been on these meds for over 5 years and I've only suffered a little nausea. Lost over 150lbs. I'm not the least bit worried about any lawsuits.

Yes actually some of us are! Viagra is necessary for most men who use it because they have cardiovascular disease sufficiently advanced to impede natural erection - this can be entirely reversed on a plant based diet low in saturated fat and without added sugars. Ditto hypertension drugs. Ditto proton pump inhibitors for chronic acid reflux. Ditto statins for cholesterol. Ditto metformin and insulin for T2 diabetes.

All of these conditions are reversible with the right diet in the vast majority of people - but it does require the will and work to grapple with significant dietary changes and detoxing one’s brain from poor dietary habits that in most cases are decades long established.

I will always encourage people to get off drugs and use food as medicine first and foremost. It’s hard to do in our toxic food culture, but as more and more people are doing it, you can find your tribe that will support you.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been taking Ozempic and carefully monitoring myself for adverse side effects. I did hold off trying them because of the lawsuits but my doctors thought I should try it since my weight was impacting my health significantly as I entered my postmenopausal years. I have noticed my anxiety has spiked significantly and will be stopping it. I might try Zepbound when that becomes approved by my insurance.

That's interesting-I'm on Wegovy, past menopause and it has made my anxiety go DOWN. It's interesting how people react differently.

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Anonymous wrote:But people get sick from all types of meds. No one is telling men to stop Viagra and work harder on gkeeping their er$action to solve their ED issues. And the side affects for Viagra are very serious. No one tell teenagers to stop Accutane and eat fruit and vegetables if it remedies their cystic acne. I mean c'mon don't even get me started on chemo meds. People should talk with their doctor and determine is better to stay overweight and unhealthy or suffer the side affects of these meds.

I have been on these meds for over 5 years and I've only suffered a little nausea. Lost over 150lbs. I'm not the least bit worried about any lawsuits.

Yes actually some of us are! Viagra is necessary for most men who use it because they have cardiovascular disease sufficiently advanced to impede natural erection - this can be entirely reversed on a plant based diet low in saturated fat and without added sugars. Ditto hypertension drugs. Ditto proton pump inhibitors for chronic acid reflux. Ditto statins for cholesterol. Ditto metformin and insulin for T2 diabetes.

All of these conditions are reversible with the right diet in the vast majority of people - but it does require the will and work to grapple with significant dietary changes and detoxing one’s brain from poor dietary habits that in most cases are decades long established.

I will always encourage people to get off drugs and use food as medicine first and foremost. It’s hard to do in our toxic food culture, but as more and more people are doing it, you can find your tribe that will support you.

How many new DCUM threads have you started handwringing about PPIs, etc.? Zero? One? Or do you reserve your profound concern trolling for drugs that also — totally coincidentally, I’m sure — provide hard evidence that weight is not a simple matter of willpower?

The fact is that there are not new threads every single day from handwringing posters about PPIs, statins, Viagra, and more. Only for the drugs that successfully prove the point that obesity is not a matter of willpower. What a remarkable coincidence!

ABSOLUTELY obesity is NOT about willpower, I never said it was! I am a sufferer myself, I KNOW.

Obesity researchers are still working things out but we certainly know that there are all kinds of hormonal issues and other factors that interplay to drive metabolic disorder, and it is generally accepted now that the disorder precedes obesity and that is why there are millions of skinny fat, sick Americans who don’t even know they have metabolic disorder that is harming their organs and long term health. The fat is a symptom, it isn’t the cause.

That said, what we do know is that certain foods help certain people to get the same effect as weight loss drugs without the drugs. We also know that while different diets can work for weight loss, many are not sustainable long term and some that might be for some people are incontrovertibly linked to much higher risk of cardiovascular disease.

Listen none of this is easy. People keep wanting the easy. The obesity doctors who have used these drugs for many years now would be first to say it is not a miracle solution to the overweight/obesity epidemic.

And as the drugs are more widely used, we see more and more of the worst side effects.

And we know the drugs have to be taken in perpetuity to keep the weight off unless, gasp, the lifestyle changes are made - which means a radical shift in relationship to food - seeing it more as for fuel and less as for pleasure.

These drugs are tools but they aren’t cures and we should be striving for better solutions. Long term if we don’t change the food environment beginning with the poisoning in the school lunch programs and the marketing to kids we aren’t going to win this war with injectables.

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Anonymous wrote:I post this on every thread. Why aren’t these semaglutide haters saying the same thing about blood pressure medications, anxiety medications acne medications or heart medications. Many say those ailments can be remedied by eating healthy, exercising and walking in flower fields. Why don’t you guys go on the health forum and tell those folks they just need to try harder? They just need to eat more broccoli and carrots?


Some folks have taking BP meds and cholesterol meds for decades, why aren’t you guys flaming them to just try harder? I really want to know.

They don’t care about other medications.

They are absolutely furious about the success of Wegovy because they experience that success as a profound narcissistic injury. That’s why they post incessantly. It is a deep injury to their self-perception and they are lashing out in an endless panicked cycle as a result.

lol this comes up in every thread about weight - thin people are mad, thin people are jealous. I have been thin all my life and trust me this just...isn't it. I hope that every person who wants to get their hands on these drugs and lose weight is able to do it, has no ill side effects, and is happy with their results.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the good thing is there are a lot of alternate treatments for people with obesity and/or diabetes, and pretty good transparency about these side effects. This isn’t new stuff, it was reported. So you should be able to make a pretty informed decision with your doctor and you can easily say no and pick a different treatment even if you’re just wary. So I’m not sure there’s a problem here for people deciding if they want to take it or not. They can also choose to wait and watch these lawsuits if they want, right?

The old adage if something appears to be too good to be true it probably is. It’s just too easy with Semaglutide….

Unless you’re on it, how do you know it’s “too easy”? These drugs have been around for a decade and aren’t magic. You still have to diet and exercise.

You are wrong. It is very easy. That’s the whole point of it.

The fact that you said this-makes me know that you have not used it!

I use it and agree it IS easy. I don't want to eat much, I don't think about food much. Those are the two elements that make dieting so hard. This is effortless and not everyone has bad side effects.

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Anonymous wrote:I post this on every thread. Why aren’t these semaglutide haters saying the same thing about blood pressure medications, anxiety medications acne medications or heart medications. Many say those ailments can be remedied by eating healthy, exercising and walking in flower fields. Why don’t you guys go on the health forum and tell those folks they just need to try harder? They just need to eat more broccoli and carrots?


Some folks have taking BP meds and cholesterol meds for decades, why aren’t you guys flaming them to just try harder? I really want to know.

They don’t care about other medications.

They are absolutely furious about the success of Wegovy because they experience that success as a profound narcissistic injury. That’s why they post incessantly. It is a deep injury to their self-perception and they are lashing out in an endless panicked cycle as a result.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the good thing is there are a lot of alternate treatments for people with obesity and/or diabetes, and pretty good transparency about these side effects. This isn’t new stuff, it was reported. So you should be able to make a pretty informed decision with your doctor and you can easily say no and pick a different treatment even if you’re just wary. So I’m not sure there’s a problem here for people deciding if they want to take it or not. They can also choose to wait and watch these lawsuits if they want, right?

The old adage if something appears to be too good to be true it probably is. It’s just too easy with Semaglutide….

Unless you’re on it, how do you know it’s “too easy”? These drugs have been around for a decade and aren’t magic. You still have to diet and exercise.

You are wrong. It is very easy. That’s the whole point of it.

The fact that you said this-makes me know that you have not used it!

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Anonymous wrote:I think the good thing is there are a lot of alternate treatments for people with obesity and/or diabetes, and pretty good transparency about these side effects. This isn’t new stuff, it was reported. So you should be able to make a pretty informed decision with your doctor and you can easily say no and pick a different treatment even if you’re just wary. So I’m not sure there’s a problem here for people deciding if they want to take it or not. They can also choose to wait and watch these lawsuits if they want, right?

The old adage if something appears to be too good to be true it probably is. It’s just too easy with Semaglutide….

Unless you’re on it, how do you know it’s “too easy”? These drugs have been around for a decade and aren’t magic. You still have to diet and exercise.

You are wrong. It is very easy. That’s the whole point of it.