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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!![/quote]

:lol:  :lol:  I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's.. [/quote]

PP here.  I am not pro or anti Wrangler.  I am just  [b]looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver.[/b]  Serioulsy looking.  This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks.  Thanks for all of the responses.  [/quote]

Other than buying your new driver one for fun, there are no rational reasons.  They are expensive, have poor reliability rankings, have limited storage capacity, poor mileage and below average safety ratings.  So if you are making an informed decision and not going by anecdotal replies here, you are only buying a Jeep because its fun - and you probably enjoy the idea of your kids being very happy with you.  Seems that simple.  [/quote]

This pretty much nails it. A Jeep is a princess purchase. They're uncomfortable, unreliable, and [b]aren't even the best 4WD at that price point[/b]. They're a canvas for a "don't tread on me" or "silly boys, girls like jeeps too" license plate frame. The storage is awful and the interior feels smaller than it should. I'd happily get rid of ours except it's paid for and we don't drive it more than a few hundred miles a month. But it's fun and that's okay. Just make sure your driver understands how to get the most out of 4WD and has solid roadside assistance coverage. [/quote]

Now you’re talking complete nonsense right [b]there[/b], and it’s immediately clear to everyone you don’t know sh!t about four wheel drive, or off-road driving in general.

All your other points can be argued for merit or not.  But when you claim they aren’t the best off-road vehicle, you’ve exposed your ignorance and your credibility is gone.

Jeeps might(?) be overpriced. They’re not the most comfortable things. They’re slow. They brake and go around corners begrudgingly at best. If you’re too stupid to do basic fixes on a vehicle, an older Jeep might not be for you. They can roll over more easily than a car. All those things are true to some degree.

But there is NOTHING on earth as capable off-road for the $$$ - for any $$$ - as a Jeep Wrangler.

If you balk at that then it proves you understand nothing about suspension design and the importance of live axles front and rear.

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They're so important that [b]they're switching to front and rear full-floats for 2024[/b]. Which is a shame, because the commitment to axle purity was the only redeeming quality outside of the cuteness. [/quote]

Why do you see that as a negative? I think it’s fantastic. They should’ve done it decades ago. I did a Teraflex full float retrofit kit on my Dana 44 rear on my TJ and it cost like $1,200 (in 2002 dollars!)

Full floaters are great. The hub bearing carries the entire weight of the vehicle, so all the axle-shaft has to do is turn the hub, and nothing else. It doesn’t need to carry any of the vehicle’s weight. And if you break an axle-shaft, all you need to do is pull the cover off the hub, pull the broken shaft out, and slide the new one in. You can replace the axle shaft on a full floater axle in under 5 minutes. Plus, if you DO break a shaft, the wheel assembly won’t come walking out of the axle tube. Dana 35’s rears were infamous for that. Even the D44 is only a semi-float design. All the burden of holding the hub and wheel assembly in the tube falls on the retaining nuts of the flange. Dicey solution at best.

Full float axles are amazing. Don’t be afraid of them. [/quote]

Oh, I agree with you entirely. There's a reason that every 4WD maker outside of Jeep moved away from live axles a long time ago. I found the stubborn dedication to lives cute though. As long as it's still unreliable, it's still a Jeep at heart![/quote]

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