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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP Northwestern is a fantastic school and it would be a smart move to ED there if your child likes it. I would agree it’s closer to the second grouping of schools like Cornell, Johns Hopkins, UChicago, Vanderbilt. The other schools seem to be a bit tougher to get into early, this year on Reddit I saw many kids not get into Yale, Duke, Penn, or Columbia in the early round who got into HPSM in regular decision. [/quote]

These schools really are all lottery-like for all except the truly amazing student. Most kids with high stats and great ECs get into one or more and not others and end up having no idea why. You have to hope your application and essays resonate with the AO!
You also have to remember that REA is different than ED and schools use their early programs to different degrees. It is worth looking that historical info up if you are close to 50-50 on two schools for REA/ED. Chicago in particular does great in the DMV admitting kids ED2 (and RD) that were dinged elsewhere REA/ED1.
If you want to go to an elite school in the Chicago area, you can apply to NW ED1 and Chicago ED2 (if you are not admitted to NW). 
Lastly, we can't just make up things like HPSM. There has long been HYP, and then HYPS, and HYPSM to a degree with the rise of tech. You can add to the HYP base but it is laughable and completely just a few individuals on random boards who would write HPSM...[/quote]

Very true on Chicago ED2, it's a great backup in case ED1 doesn't work out. Also re: Yale, there's a couple indicators that HPSM are in a class of their own (and I'm NP on this topic). Firstly, all of HPSM don't offer any special scholarship or recruitment programs for undergrads. Yale has broken that over the last 10 years by creating two programs to recruit students they usually lose to HPSM: Yale Hahn Scholars and Yale YES scholars. That puts them in line with Columbia, Duke, and Penn. Columbia has Egleston, Kluge, and John Jay Scholars. Duke has Robertson, AB, and Karsh Scholars. Penn has Ben Franklin, Joseph Wharton, and Vagelos Scholars (along with like 5 dual degree programs used to recruit hundreds of students each year). At HPSM, all students enter at the same standing, no special scholars, because they don't need those programs to recruit the best.[/quote]

Other than Wharton Jerome Fisher or Huntsman programs, Yale is a league on its on vs. Columbia, Penn and Duke.  Non-Wharton Penn and Duke much further down along with Chicago, JHU, etc.[/quote]

That's fair. I think it would be reasonable to go:

HPSM

Yale, Caltech, Wharton

Columbia, Duke, Penn

Chicago, JHU, Brown, Dartmouth, Northwestern

Cornell, Vanderbilt, Rice, WashU[/quote]

It looks like you put considerable effort into this. Even if the recent USNews rankings haven’t made a shambles of your tiers, the fact remains that this  hairsplitting is like trying to infer significance to one group of sports cars having a top speed of 210 mph, while “lesser” ones can go only 209.5 and 209 mph. They are all impressive, can all get you anywhere, & the difference in outcomes is more dependent on the the individual driver (student) than the car (college). [/quote]

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