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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Unless you tell us what you said, you are a racist. Bcs not posting what you said means you know it was wrong.[/quote]

No, it’s protecting my identity. What I said was NOT wrong.[/quote]
So you say. I had a guy at work rant at me about how he was labeled a racist for saying we are all IMMIGRANTS here unless we are native, and what is racist about that?
Honestly, at this point, you are coming as horribly defensive and a bigot. Narcissist as well.[/quote]

Are you trying to say the guy at work said something wrong?[/quote]
Yes, 100%. I am an immigrant here; he is not.I immigrated to this county, whereas his family was colonists. Are we calling colonists immigrants now? No doubt this is op, who is a bigot.[/quote]

How do you know his family were colonists? Don't assume that is true for all white people. [/quote]
Bcs he said We Are All Immigrants Here.[/quote]

My family (poor, uneducated immigrants from Ireland and Germany) immigrated to the US around the turn of the 20th century with nothing. I come from an immigrant family. I'm 4th gen and feel extremely fortunate about the sacrifices they made, but I also don't forget where I came from. If I said the US is "a nation of immigrants" does that make me a colonist and a bigot?[/quote]
Yes. Bcs you have been a U.S. citizen for over a century. And North America was colonized and invaded. As mentioned, Anglos did not call the Vikings immigrants. There is a vast difference between you and me. I immigrated here during my lifetime. You have NOT. Nor was there such a thing as a poor "immigrant" around the turn of the 19 to 20 centuries. They had money to leave.
I will never been see as an American, even though I have been one since 1996. You know it, I know it, all the people here know it. So, enough with your BS. You are not an immigrant. Long ago, your ancestors took a ship here, not you. Facts matter. Nation of immigrants, a nation of invaders, a nation of colonists, not we are all immigrants here.[/quote]

I didn't say I was an immigrant. I said that I might say "we are a nation of immigrants" and that one reason I feel that to be true is that my own family immigrated here not that long ago and my family history is one of immigration. My family experienced discrimination and poverty when they moved here. I have a great great grandmother who worked, and died, as an indentured servant (she still "owed" her employer for her passage when she died at 29). I'm not claiming "immigrant" as a descriptor for me, but my family were (and definitely not colonists or invaders). It's pretty clear my family came here looking for opportunity and freedom, not to conquer anything. You know, immigrants.

I'm not even sure how I feel about the phrase "nation of immigrants" because, for instance, it does not account for the many people whose family were brought her forcibly as slaves. But I also don't find it offensive as a term and I generally think the intention behind it is a positive one. To return to the subject of this thread, I think "cancelling" someone for using this phrase would be incredibly wrong-headed. I do think it's different than actual prejudice/racism and that you could have a productive conversation with someone about this kind of disagreement. To me, cancellation indicates that there is no point in engaging, but I think these are situations where engagement is actually desirable -- maybe we all learn something and are better people for it.[/quote]
Nobody was canceled for this phrases. Nor fired. However, that person still feels wrong that this was not "kosher' with recent immigrants and feels that they wronged him. Hence the whole issue. He started the topic and was then told, please don't say that, and then he is still a victim. That is what is the crux of the problematic language behavior here.

In Canada, workplace discrimination is very common, and they, for example, are not open to even debating it. They narrow the applicant pool by asking for "years of Canadian" experience" for how many years. People can't get jobs BCS they just arrived to Canada. Then 10 years later, they still can't get it bcs they worked at the Indian Embassy. Then, they can't get the job in the field they are now certified for in Canada, BCS they do not have... Canadian work experience as they were in school! What it does is prolong social and economic inequality in a country that (you might agree with this) tries to lord it over the U.S. about how open and accepting of immigrants they are. (I worked there and know a lot about it.)

Additionally, the Canadian government and job placement companies have instructions to immigrants about accepting that they need to be okay with a lower position and lower paying wages than those born in Canada. Instead of having initiatives to overcome discrimination in the work place, they are enforcing it. They even have examples, such as "If you were an engineer in India, you should accept that you could be a greeter at Costco." I am not saying they should go from doctor in Zimbabwe to doctor in Canada, as certifications and such things need to be followed. Still, I hope you can see how messed up and discriminatory their attitude is towards immigrants.

At least here on dcum, I can discuss it, and while it is discouraging that many do not accept the premise that if you do not know what is discriminatory, you can't know if you are engaged in it, some at least are aware that what OP said might have been offensive.[/quote]

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